The hysteria regarding Obama meaning certain doom for the country is almost as bad as when people were saying the same thing about Bush. Give it a rest, the sky isn't falling.
Hmm. If the implication is that I was one of those people on the left saying that Bush was going to bring about armageddon, that is a false implication to make. For many years I was a Bush supporter (or at least didn't think he was as bad as many people claimed) and I'd wager my post history here would reflect that. My opinion of him dramatically changed during his second term. My opinion of Obama in his first term is similar in that I don't think he is as bad as people claim, and certainly there is the possibility for that opinion to change in his second term (or sooner) as it did with Bush. For now though I consider the melodramatics about Obama just as irrational as people calling Bush a war criminal less than a decade ago.
There comes a point when there are more people on government handouts than working and they in turn vote for those who give the handouts and then begins the downward spiral.
I'm not sure he's right about 7 or 10, but more importantly, I think he underestimates the effect of lack of enthusiasm affecting pro-Obama turnout.
The top 10 percent of income earners -- that's people who make $113,799 or more -- pay 70 percent of federal income taxes in this country, according to the Heritage Foundation, which I imagine you'll accept as a source. That statistic is most commonly used when arguing against the left -- somewhat speciously, since the percentage of total dollars they pay doesn't tell you anything about their tax rate -- but it has some interesting implications for you, too. If you're not in that 10 percent -- if you don't make $113,799 or more per year -- chances are that their tax dollars are subsidizing you. How's that gubmint cheese taste, EP?
Blacks vote Democrat overwhelmingly no matter who's the candidate. Republicans have worked hard over the years to alienate blacks. College educated women like being able to have abortions. It's really not more complex than that. For hardcore liberals, Obama is a huge disappointment. They might just sit this one out, or vote for a protest candidate. That's a given for any sitting president. So was Bush for a while. So was McCain until he was seriously threatened for the Republican nomination by someone with a strong anti-illegal platform. Fail. I don't know or care enough about unions to comment either way. What? I thought Obama was a capitalism hating socialist.... How can this be? This just sounds like whining. Remember when the media gave Bush a free pass and demonized Gore at every opportunity? I bet that was a racial thing too. That's the Republicans own fault. That's the Republicans own fault.
that's just stupid. Accuse them of being ham-fisted about winning them if you want, or more realistically not pandering enough - but no politician ever purposely alienate 15+% of the voters. Your last sentence, OTOH, is quite true.
I'm not sure how to respond to that, because Bush had been getting hounded from Election night 2000 to Obama's inaguration, and even now he's getting the blame for the economy three years after he left office.
You should ask yourself this before you hit "Submit Reply." But, I'll go ahead an answer your question. Nobody. Please die. Now.
Please stop projecting your ignorance on everyone, Timmy. I followed the election quite closely last year.
The idea that Rubio would automatically draw the Hispanic vote is, to put it mildly, stupid. There is no "Hispanic" vote. He's alienate plenty of Latino voters in Florida. Sure Hispanics might feel a sense of pride if he ever makes it to the White House, the way they might feel pride in Sonia Sotomyor (sp?) making it to the Supreme Court, but that doesn't mean they all automatically agree with her on everything.
Agreed. Between 2000 and 2004 I was an ardent Bush supporter. Hell, I almost voted for him again in 2004, but at that point I was walking the line between the two parties and unsure where to go (I disagreed with the direction of the war in Iraq). As for Obama, he's not as bad as hysterics would lead you to believe, though he has been rather disappointing in some crucial areas of his Presidency. I mean, granted, no politician ever hits the mark 100% of the time. With millions of people being represented, there's no way one can match them all in ideology and issue. That said, he will be re-elected, if for no other reason than he has more momentum than the GOP will be able to mount in time. Their current crop of candidates is abysmal, and unless someone downright amazing comes along, they'll lose this round.
Perhaps, but before the election, during the campaign, the media pushed the "Al Gore is a pathological liar" angle, misquoting him, quoting him out of context, and sometimes just making shit up. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp http://gadfly.igc.org/politics/hijack.htm http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0004.parry.html http://www.salon.com/news/politics/feature/2000/10/27/media/index.html
Yeah the idea that Hispanics will automatically flock to the guy in huge numbers out of some sense of "Racial" pride or obligation regardless of job performance and ideology is silly. What do people think Hispanics are the Black community.
I'm sure you're correct that Blacks overwhelmingly voted Democrat in 2008 just because Obama was black. So normally Black all vote Republican, right?
OP notwithstanding, Gallup has Obama losing to Romney and possibly to Perry. He can barely beat Paul or Bachman.
Ah. Kind of makes the "Blacks only vote for Obama because he's Black" argument look foolish, doesn't it? Seems to me that, while at least some Blacks did vote for Obama just because he's Black, the overwhelming majority of Blacks would have voted for the Democratic nominee anyway, regardless of race.
Blacks do mostly vote Democrat--when they do vote at all. And there were a LOT of first-time Black voters who had a bit more insentive to get to the polls in '08 than they did for any candidate in the past 25 years. I highly doubt that Clinton got 97 percent of the black vote in DC in '96, or than normally red states turned blue becaue that many voters came out to support him.
