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  1. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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  2. Uncle Albert

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    I was just reading about that.

    :chris:
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    It would have been hilarious if it was pranked with a squad of WWII American planes buzzing it....

    ;)
  4. Dr. Krieg

    Dr. Krieg Stay at Home Astronaut. Administrator Overlord

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    I have seen that! It's only a matter of time before the Japanese amend their constitution to allow them to build true Aircraft Carriers, considering the Chinese and Indian Navies already have that capability. Korea also has a similar ship, the Dokdo. While everybody's attention has been focused on the Middle East, there has been a quiet arms race developing in the pacific.
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  5. John Castle

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    They need a ship that size to take on the tentacle-rape monsters, y'know.
  6. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    That 'destroyer' has only slightly less displacement than an Invincible class carrier.

    In other words, it's a carrier. The fact that the USMC has been 'practicing for Joint Operations' by landing Ospreys on the slightly smaller Hyuga class 'destroyer' is telling. Wonder how long after we start fielding 35Bs do we start 'practicing' on Izumo class ships.
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  7. Dr. Krieg

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  8. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    I thought it a bit strange that they were referring to the ship as a destroyer. The Russkies used to call something like that a "helicopter cruiser" as I recall - the old Moscow class was roughly similar.
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    Godzilla agrees!
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  10. Dr. Krieg

    Dr. Krieg Stay at Home Astronaut. Administrator Overlord

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    The Japanese call them Destroyers because they are forbidden from having "Aviation capable warships" by their own constitution. The Russians called them Aviation Cruisers because of treaty constraints(Montreaux Convention) involving tonnage limits in the Bosporus.
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  11. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    From the article:

    This reminds me a great deal of the way Japan in the 30s built cruisers specifically designed for carrier conversion. It was a way to stay technically within the terms of the Washington Naval treaties, yet build a larger, more modern fleet just the same.
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    I like that they made it festive.
  13. Dr. Krieg

    Dr. Krieg Stay at Home Astronaut. Administrator Overlord

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    Actually, the Japanese built about half a dozen "Seaplane Tenders" in the thirties, which were promptly converted to Aircraft Carriers in the early 40's once the Japanese opted out of the London Conference. You may be thinking of the Mogami class cruisers, converted from 6.1 inch gunned light cruisers to 8 inch gunned heavy cruisers....once the Japanese opted out of the London Naval Conference. :lol:
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  14. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Yeah, I knew I was mixing up a few different details, but couldn't be assed to look it all up when you'd be along to set things straight. Just the same, the point stands regarding similarities between then and now.
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    Bit off tangent but when I read this story this morning on the Seattle Times what blew my mind was that they decided to build a larger class of 'helicopter destroyer' in TWO THOUSAND AND NINE.

    In 2013 they fucking launch it. :wtf:

    FOUR YEARS from 'we need a ship' to 'we've built a ship.' :soma: That's fucking NUTS!
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  16. Dr. Krieg

    Dr. Krieg Stay at Home Astronaut. Administrator Overlord

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    Couldn't resist. :lol:

    Absolutely, the point stands. Although, not its not about fooling the western world, and more about fooling.....themselves?
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    Dr. Krieg Stay at Home Astronaut. Administrator Overlord

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    Nuts as in good, or bad?
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  18. Shirogayne

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    Good,hope they change their constitution so they can do their own heavy lifting. :bailey:
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  19. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    so how long would it take to install catapults.

    I'm guessing the "ski jump" option is measured in hours?
  20. The Flashlight

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    Godzilla did not practice tentacle rape. Godzilla has no tentacles. Godzilla is a good monster, it doesn't matter how many stupid Japanese he steps on. They should have gotten out of Godzilla's way. :bailey:
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    It would not surprise me that they've got plans that they update now and then for just this thing.

    Also of course they aren't burdened by mountains of red tape and politics.
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    How long does it take us to build the real thing?
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    I think if we settled on a design we could pump them out just as fast. It seems that the before it's built part is the part that takes the longest.
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  24. Ancalagon

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    It took us 50% longer for a ship 1/10th the size and nowhere near the complexity (this is going to the flagship of their navy, and each one will command a naval group). Thinking of the LCS(s) here.
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    That's the fucked up thing, then. We have built hundreds of aircraft carriers, we are the experts in the field. Why don't we have an off the shelf plan?
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    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Congress started throwing lots of money at the CVN-21 program in 2001, the actual concept goes back to the mid nineties.

    The USS Gerald R. Ford (first of the class) should be completed sometime in 2015. (keep in mind though that our Supercarriers are 5x the size of most light carriers)
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    I predict they eventually put Joint Strike Fighters on the thing.
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    It's because there isn't a military version of Ikea :diacanu:
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    :wtf:

    I'm not sure whether you're agreeing with me or completely missed my meaning.
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