Hoist with their own petard: Texas voter ID law

No, I'm acknowledging that the other party would and will screw the offending party given the chance. There are no angels on this one, no matter what they say. This isn't gay marriage, alcohol laws, gun rights, etc. The trend is tolerance and liberty, regardless of parties. Some may take longer on certain issues, but that's where we're heading. Gerrymandering is wonky party gamesmanship. I don't care.

Except that significantly more Dem states have impartial redistricting compared to R states.

Not to mention that this IS an equality issue as the gerrymandering that kept the Rs in the House will also keep homosexuals, bisexuals and transgendered Americans from having equality under employment law (ENDA).

And now I'm fatigued....

Re-stated:

Yes, Gerrymandering is a form of vote fraud, one that actually happens. And it's not a Republican/Democratic thing, it's a fairness thing. By turning a blind eye, you are saying that it's okay for fraudulent methods to make some citizens worth more than other citizens.

So I'm supposed to immerse myself in the minutiae of district wonkyness in Texas, Virginia, California?

Not gonna happen, I'm full up. Freedom marches on, politics is actually the last to catch up in most cases. Hell, Anc posted a thread about the end of the nation state, see where I'm going here? In the long most all of this wonkwanking at windmills is obsolete, but hey, @Muad Dib dresses up as a 150 year out of date soldier of the losing side, and @Volpone has three Fox costumes, who am I to judge your fetishes?

You might as well not vote in federal elections if that's the stand you are going to promote. Did Uncle Albert possess you after he passed on?

We have another dunce who is unable to read. Hello? THEY HAVE AN ISSUED ID, GENIUS!

I've said before, I often leave the higher offices blank. Local politics has far more influence on my daily life.

Well until that health insurance cancellation notice shows up in the mail...

I didn't read the whole thread, take a breath, or a drink, which ever quells the voices.

Why should you? The thread pertains to a state that doesn't begin with O and end with A.

Or the thread just didn't interest me that much?

I actually only got into this thread because it was one stated that Texas was still forcing married women to change their middle name to their maiden name. I checked with a person who just changed her name for marriage reasons in Texas conclusion false.

And two it was stated the only way to get a photo ID was to have a birth certificate. Which is also false.

Good night.

Actually, nobody ever said that. What was said was that women married before 1985 had to do so. That seems to be true.

Nice. You are a fool who babbles nonsense which has specifically been disproven over and over in this thread but I'm the one who gets insulted? Seriously, kill yourself because you look like a drooling idiot who can't follow simple arguments. Hell, no one is fooled, we all know you're full of shit, that's why you're repeating nonsense which is completely untrue and which has been disproven time and again. Just admit it already. You're a dunce, you have nothing, and you're full of shit.

If this wasn't true you wouldn't still not understand that we're talking about people who DO have IDs. Moron.

Took a minute but that was Dinner who said that. I didn't see that the first time around.

So ...why don't they change their name? If my name was like that I would change it as soon as possible and believe me changing a middle name doesn't complicate things like the last name does.

And with Dinner's last post he may be going on ignore soon.

Wait, what? I've not been paying attention the name change thing. Are you suggesting women should actually CHANGE THEIR NAME to conform to state standards, or just to change the name on their ID to match their name?

@Ancalagon: not what she's saying. This issue regards people who have a license that incorrectly states their name. It's not changing the name, it's changing the license.

I think it's likely that many don't know they can change it or that they'll need to do so for voting. Now people can say that's a matter of personal failure, but when that kind of failure is predictable and has fairly malignant results, the legislature should reconsider.

I'm ok with that. Especially if it means people who babble complete nonsense which has been disproven doesn't bother with facts or me. That will just make my point even more.

The outrage is the naked motivation of disfranchising voters hostile to the GOP (or conversely that the GOP is hostile towards).

Since no one responded the first time I'll ask again:

So a couple of facts, and then a question.

1) Voting is public record.

No, HOW you voted isn't public, but the fact that you voted is. Sometimes it costs to get access to voter records, sometimes it is free, but it is available. This is a fact. Go check your own state and you will see. This is how parties, pollsters, campaigns target people. EVERYONE in the political sphere has it, its studied sliced and diced 19 different ways.

2) In person voting fraud is not a problem.

It simply doesn't happen to any extent that would throw an election. Does. Not. Happen. If it did it would be caught. See point 1.


So considering that in person voter fraud is NOT a problem, why the push for IDs?

No id needed to vote here either, and there isn't any evidence of fraud.

You rock up to the polling station and give your name and address. They have a list of all the registered voters in the area and tick your name off. Easy.

There are ways you could theoretically get vote fraud, however the penalties for doing so if caught, and the fact that any fraud you could achieve would be a handful of votes at most mean it simply isn't significant problem as the cost/benefit ratio is way too high.

Voter ID laws aren't about preventing fraud, because there is no evidence that the fraud exists in the first place. It's all about skewing the statistics of who will vote.

And if you go to Fukushima without a geiger counter, you won't find any evidence of radiation. Also, if you cover your eyes, the lights go out.

And if you open your eyes, you find lots of citizens without id.

1) Voting is public record.

No, HOW you voted isn't public, but the fact that you voted is. Sometimes it costs to get access to voter records, sometimes it is free, but it is available. This is a fact. Go check your own state and you will see. This is how parties, pollsters, campaigns target people. EVERYONE in the political sphere has it, its studied sliced and diced 19 different ways.

2) In person voting fraud is not a problem.

It simply doesn't happen to any extent that would throw an election. Does. Not. Happen. If it did it would be caught. See point 1.

So... if it happened, there'd be no evidence. The fact that there's no evidence is concrete validation that it's not happening.

Try reading it again. Slower this time. There is evidence of every vote cast.

1) Voting is public record.

No, HOW you voted isn't public, but the fact that you voted is. Sometimes it costs to get access to voter records, sometimes it is free, but it is available. This is a fact. Go check your own state and you will see. This is how parties, pollsters, campaigns target people. EVERYONE in the political sphere has it, its studied sliced and diced 19 different ways.

2) In person voting fraud is not a problem.

It simply doesn't happen to any extent that would throw an election. Does. Not. Happen. If it did it would be caught. See point 1.

So there are lots of citizens who never apply for a job, apply for a lease, buy a car, buy a house, buy liquor, buy cigarettes, ever in their entire lives? Because you need photo ID for every one of those things. Well, unless you're an illegal dealing with a corrupt business owner, and illegals aren't being "disenfranchised" by voter ID, since they were never enfranchised to begin with.

But without voter ID, not of who cast it. Which is why you end up with dead people voting.

Why were they allowed to register? You'd think a death certificate would invalidate such things.