Texas GOP adopts platform supporting gay - conversion therapy

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  1. gul

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    The proof is that she has had active public relationships with both women and men.
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  2. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    You apparently have no idea what is orthodox in this matter. Nobody but you is bothered by the idea that some people are either bi or shift along the spectrum over time. We have at least one member of Wordforge who openly finds attraction in both genders but doesn't identify as bi because what matters to him is love before gender. I have a good friend (one of my college roomates) who has shifted from relationships with men to marrying a womahe fell in love with, and now back to professing an interest in men. The point is that these people find for themselves the relationships that make the most sense. They should not be forced in to a particular box just because you consider them deviants.
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  3. Dayton Kitchens

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    Why?
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    Funny, that's how I feel about your bronze age superstitions. :)
    And yet people still kept responding like you thought he was serious. :borg:
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  5. ed629

    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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    So if people choose to be gay.... then the following quotes which you wrote indicate that you are indeed gay and have made the choice yourself to be gay.

    And you also have said that you don't understand why men and women would have sex just to have sex. Just admit it, and come out of the closet already.
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  6. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Anne Heche speaks an "alien" language that only she understands and dates anyone that can better her career. Hardly the best example to use.
  7. Dayton Kitchens

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    ^Personalizing an argument is the mark of a fool ed.

    But you knew that.

    At any rate, I figured I would live a life of celibacy at one point. But, I was blessed with a wonderful woman
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    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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    Yet you're the one that has interjected this thread with your own personal beliefs, this isn't the first time that you've stated that people choose to be gay.

    And you feel that you're the one that can decide who or what is honored but when the same is done to you, you respond with insults. That's not very Christian of you.

    And not only that, but you also made the following statement. Is that not personalizing an argument?

  9. Dayton Kitchens

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    ^Of course it isn't. I've never came close to meeting the first lady of New York City.
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    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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    I've never met you yet you claim I was personalizing the argument, distinction without a difference.
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    Texas GOP to everyone under the age of 50: please don't vote for us during the next few decades.
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  12. Dayton Kitchens

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    That doesn't apply. I'm not a public figure
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    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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    You used someone who wasn't a public figure in this thread.

    Care to explain why what you do is applicable, yet when someone else does it you always say it can't be used?
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    A couple of value beliefs? You're even more moronic than I suspected.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Seems to be an issue that extends beyond Texas. And whether it's gay rights or something else seen as divisive, the GOP method for several decades now has been an attempt to attract voters by alienating large swaths of American society.

    I believe I've shared this before, but I came very close to voting for George HW Bush. The reason I didn't was the Lee Atwater hatchet campaign. It so completely turned me off from any of the affirmative reasons to vote for Bush that I couldn't do it.

    Over the years, The GOP has gone further and further down that rabbit hole. They no longer talk about ideas, instead preferring to talk about "those people." Witness Dayton in this thread.

    It's too bad, because I don't actually oppose some conservative ideas, and even where I do, I want a robust debate to ensure that whatever decision we ultimately make is informed, with other options openly considered and vetted.
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    Also there's the way the GOP broke its own rules to ensure Ron Paul didn't nominate Mitt Romney's nomination in basically every state of the union.
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    Social change with regard to homosexuality has been very rapid. The GOP wouldn't have run on an anti-gay platform 20 years ago because there were very few pro-gays. NO ONE on the national stage would've championed gay marriage until very recently. Remember, even Bill Clinton--OUT OF OFFICE by then--spoke against gay marriage. And Obama didn't come out for gay marriage until 2012(!!!).

    So, yes, the GOP's ridden that anti-gay rights horse for a while now. But it's only been VERY RECENTLY that the Democrats have shown any backbone in defending.

    (I'm reminded of a Frenchman I heard speaking of America's barbarous capital punishment [this was around 1990 or so] and I thought to myself: "Didn't you guys still use the GUILLOTINE as recently as the late 1970s?")
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  18. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Agree, it took the Democrats a frustratingly long time to understand that society was moving in a direction that meant political success could come from embracing social change.

    The problem with the Democrats is that they very often assume that's all they need to do. Yes, for now, but they are just as unlikely to run on ideas.

    Ultimately, if the Republicans ever figure out that the only people still buying us against them are dying off, then they can seize the agenda quite easily if the Democrats continue to just be the party of acceptance.
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    of curse.

    because as everyone knows, the anecdotal example which supports my preferred point of view can safely be argued to be normative for all. which is why a radical atheist can logically assume you are just like Fred Phelps.
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  20. Dayton Kitchens

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    Oh please. I'm not even Baptist.

    And my wife has less tolerant political/social beliefs than I do.
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    Rimjob Bob Sue Collini always gets the weenie

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    On the other hand, it's not like Texas is a swing state by any stretch. Why backtrack when people keep affirming your power?
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    So, what you're saying is that she wants you to punch her in the face when the two of you have a disagreement, since the Bible says that a husband is to rule over his wife.
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  23. Dayton Kitchens

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    The New Testament in no way endorses use of violence against ones wife.
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    It in no way condemns homosexuality, either, yet you seem fine with believing it to be a sin. The New Testament also tells people how they should treat their slaves, so based on that, we should assume you see no problems with slavery, am I right?
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  25. Dayton Kitchens

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    I believe Paul in the New Testament explicitly condemns men who abuse themselves with men which would appear to be textbook definition of homosexual acts.
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    So, lesbianism and slavery are okay in your book, right? Since neither of those are explicitly condemned in the New Testament.
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    I have moral objections to slavery regardless of it existing in the New Testament. Note, the New Testament does NOT endorse slavery.

    And lesbianism is just another name for female homosexuality. If it is condemned for men then it applies to women as well.
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    You sure about that?
    If you're not telling masters to free their slaves and/or commanding slaves to overthrow their masters, you're pretty much endorsing slavery.
    Except that the Bible is pretty clear that there are very different rules for men and women, so given that Jesus (you know, the Son of God) says nothing about homosexuality, and Paul's mentions of it are claimed by some to be referring to male prostitutes and not gays in general, you can't just assume that the same rules apply in this instance. After all, when a man ejaculates, he's expelling reproductive substances from his body (i.e. sperm), but when a woman orgasms, she's not expelling reproductive substances from her body, so such acts are not an automatic violation of the Old Testament command by God in Genesis for humans to be fruitful and multiply.
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    Or maybe he just didn't like S&M ...
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    Then why specify men?

    Plenty of men today flip out at the thought of two men together but get turned on by two women ... maybe Paul was the same way.
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