The Problem With Wordforge as I see it.

If you don't understand that someone who gives 90 as an answer when he knows the answer is 51 is telling a lie, then you are literally too stupid to understand what a lie is. But I doubt that you are that stupid; you're just hoping you are so you'll believe yourself when you tell yourself what you're doing is ok.

Which summarises perfectly why @Dayton3 is a danger to children.

For a message board just doing my best I think should be enough.

This isn't like teaching a class or writing a formal report or history.

What has my views on stating with certainty on a message board have to do with how I teach school?

Why "should it be enough"? Are we lower class humans that don't deserve the respect of proper debate?

Because it isn't limited to this message board, and after nearly 13 years we know well enough that you are promoting your beliefs offline as well.

Not lower class.

But lower level of discussion and debate.

I'm not going to give the same consideration to people on the internet who do not even make a point of identifying themselves. If they aren't willing to expose themselves to the public, then they do not deserve the same level of respect.

I on the other hand obviously do.

Why? Is it not the content of what is said that matters?

Content is important.

So is context and tone.

Because if you have been honest when you said you don't understand what boils down to the difference between lies and the truth, then you won't suddenly be transformed into someone who does when you enter your school.

My God, you're pushing me over to @El Chup's side!

How is not voicing doubts you might have about an issue a lie?

Because as we see above, it is like claiming that 51=90. But 51 != 90, and you know it. This is called a lie.

We're not talking about definite points like numbers. The numbers are the way I use to identify percentages about belief.

And you're more than smart enough to know what I'm talking about.

Yes, you are talking about the difference between vaguely believing something to be true, and knowing it to be a fact. Glossing over the difference is telling lies.

Not the way I see it. Once a person has taken a position they are not obligated to air the other possibilities "just in case".

Stating something as fact is not "taking a position".

That worked quite well when somebody described the case for WMD as a slam dunk.

Gturner will now come along to lie that we did find them.

Well Packard, you and I (along with El Chup, gul, and a few others) will just have to agree to disagree.

I can't remember gul, but weren't you part of the crowd that claimed that President Bush NEVER was told by CIA Director George Tenet that the evidence in favor of WMDs in Iraq was a "slam dunk"?

It would probably ly be better to say "I think", "If I recall correctly", or some other sentence structure which would relay that you have a high degree of uncertainty with the statement. Just saying.

If people are giving you a hard time it might be a good idea to stop handing them ammo. Just saying.

If you can't remember, you need to find something factual with which to refresh your memory.

Another lie that mistakes opinions, best guesses, and declarations of fact for each other.

Perhaps you're right though as I've said I thought that when you are not offering evidence in thread, that "IIRC" was pretty much implied.

I talk on a discussion board much like I would to a group of people I'm talking to hanging out after work.

Now, maybe with iPhones and stuff people routinely verify what they say in such discussions.

But I and most of the people I talk to do not.

Dayton uses expressions of doubt not to express doubt but to hide the fact that he's completely making shit up. If he uses the phrase "if I recall correctly" or similar you can be reasonably sure that he's not actually recalling or attempting to recall anything at all.

I do not make stuff up.

Can you present unquestionable proof that I have?

Then it is that much MORE important not to spread lies as if they were facts.

It does seem that way, yes.

I would be surprised if any human being had ever claimed that. How would anyone know for sure that one person never said a certain thing to another person?

Or are you glossing over another difference, such as "He never publicly *said* he had said that", or "He said that he didn't say that", or "That is not what he said he had said"?

I thought that the statement by CIA Director George Tenet was quoted in one of Bob Woodwards books about the Bush presidency.