Mary Jane casting revealed for new Spiderman movie

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  1. K.

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    And btw, just to make my point even more obvious: I really do have a problem with recasting Heimdall as a black man. The Asgardians are supposed to be a somewhat homogeneous race of extraterrestrial beings, who are to humans striking in a specific set of physical characteristics, and Norse mythology would have mentioned that difference. Now there's a character for whom race does make a difference.
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  2. Shirogayne

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    Goddamn, I wished I'd posted this in the Red Room instead. :brood:
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  3. Steal Your Face

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    The people obsesses over race are the ones casting white characters as black.
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  4. K.

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    Oh god, we're in MC. Sorry. My bad.

    Um. Can someone divide the discussion into two threads, or move this one to the RR completely and start a milder version in MC?
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  5. Ten Lubak

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    Who gives a shit. Things change and evolve. Deal with it.
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  6. The Prussian Mafia

    The Prussian Mafia Sex crazed nympho

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    Jesus! Jump to conclusions much?? What content? Peter is meeting a girl for the first time and thinks she's hot. What has that to do with any of the bullshit you're spouting?
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    The content that goes beyond registering the colour of MJ's skin, which you insist is the only content of that famous scene.
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  9. 14thDoctor

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    You saw the picture I posted, right? If they were intentionally casting a black actress for the sake of blackness, they sure did a half-assed job of it. :borg:
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  10. Shirogayne

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    *mic drop*

    Besides that horrible Halle Berry movie that had fuck all to do with Batman, when have he had a black Catwoman, in TV or the comics?

    I'll wait.
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  11. The Prussian Mafia

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    I have no idea what you are talking about? You mean because it's a picture of a white girl? Gosh, I don't know how I can look at a picture of a white girl and think I see a white girl. Can anyone else decipher this nonsense?

    Again, I don't care what color the actress is. I only care that they chose Zendaya.
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    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Who's obsessed here? This movie will likely tank because it's yet another origin story that Sony has to release to keep the rights to Spiderman and the fanboiz are all :ua: :hurr: :ohnoes: about a black chick playing MJ.

    This shirt right here is why no one took the extreme foaming about Lady Ghostbusters being another bad reboot at face value.
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  13. Lanzman

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    Yes, actually.

    Xavier in the comics speaks in a very formal pattern, so no. Always wondered why the Frenchman Captain Picard had a British accent, tho.

    Now see, here you've hit upon an actual example of what Packard was saying about Mary Jane. Magneto has been portrayed very inconsistently over the years, with wildly varying speech patterns. One storyline even had him reduced to infancy and then later re-accelerated to adulthood again. You will notice, however, that Ian McKellan is a white guy with gray hair, just like the comic book version of Magneto.

    Bond is a master spy who could be expected to change his look, speech, or other personal details from time to time. And it's also been postulated that "James Bond" is a cover name for whichever agent is elevated to the 007 position, so bad example.

    Really? Did he have a label, or a tattoo, or something that enabled you to tell?

    My problem is with adaptations of existing works that miss the mark so badly that you wonder why they bothered.
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    Oh dear. You could not have hit on a worse example if you'd tried. The Nick Fury in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is based on the Nick Fury in the "Ultimates" line of comics, which is essentially an Elseworlds of Marvel. That Nick Fury was, and is, drawn specifically to look like Samuel L. Jackson, who plays Nick Fury in the movies. It's all very self-referential and one of the ways Marvel has done its movies right.
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    Yeah, also played by Lee Meriweather and Julie Newmar, so Catwoman had three different looks in the same TV show. Try again.
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    No, the Ultimate Nick Fury is based on the idea of Fury being played by Jackson -- long before the reality of that casting --, not the other way around. "Oh dear" indeed.
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    Thank you for spelling out my point for me. Once more: Looks can change without changing the core of the character, unless that aspect of the look is connected to that core. The three catwomen in the TV show had lots and lots of similarities, many of them in fact connected to their physical appearance -- but race wasn't among them.
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  18. Lanzman

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    Packard, Packard, Packard . . . I know that. That was my point. Ultimate Fury is drawn to look like Jackson because Jackson is a fan of Marvel, and then Marvel cast Jackson to play Fury in the movies, which version was based on the Ultimate Fury. That's what "self-referential" means. The whole thing is basically a gigantic in-joke.
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    So you get the point with Catwoman in the 60s Batman show, and with Jackson Fury. Now try to hold on to that thought and think about MJ the same way. Shouldn't be that hard.
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    Except of course MJ has consistently been a red-headed white chick for fifty years of comics. You're right, this shouldn't be that hard.
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  21. Shirogayne

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    Catwoman had been white for 27 years, Nick Fury for 38. Please tell me you're not reduced to saying that an additional 13 years make all the difference.
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    Lanz, Lanz, you're not thinking 5th dimensionally. :itsokay:

    Black MJ doesn't replace redhead MJ in your spank file.

    You can use the reality gem to put BOTH MJs in a double-decker pussy sandwich.
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  24. Shirogayne

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    Man, this is going right into quotes :lol:
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    Sigh. Here is my post from the Ghost In The Shell thread:

    But, anyway, I'm not sure I even want another Spider-Man movie so soon. Give it a rest guys, jeez! I'd rather they bump up Black Panther, Captain Marvel, or Thor 3 on the schedule. As long as he makes another appearance before Avengers: Infinity War it should be all good.

    Interestingly, it looks like the Captain Marvel movie will take place after Infinity War. I wonder if she'll make a cameo first? Like as a non-powered character?
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    Oy vey . . . never mind. You win, I'm just an evil racist fuck.
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  27. Sean the Puritan

    Sean the Puritan Endut! Hoch Hech!

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    This is literally the least interesting controversy I have ever controversied.

    Wake me up when they want to make a movie about the Silver Surfer where he's actually a slacker from Newport Beach who gets his powers by being bitten by an autistic radioactive dolphin.
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  28. 14thDoctor

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    Well, you sure do care a lot about the skin colour of actors portraying certain characters, but you don't seem to care about the depicted ethnicity matching the source material. It's okay to be a purist, but let's not pretend there's something oddly selective about your complaints here. :shrug:
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    Also, when the Marvel movies have already featured this redhead:

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    and this redhead:

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    Wouldn't it make sense that they might want to change things up a bit if they're introducing yet another redhead? :shrug:
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    Won't somebody think of the poor oppressed white people?
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