Segregation is back. By choice.

So that's a No then; you literally are unaware of the point offered against your stance.

Aaaaaand this went exactly how I thought it would. "We're enlightened, our view is the only correct one, anyone who doesn't agree is stupid."

So here's the statement of first principles: discrimination is bad. Discrimination is an injustice and must be corrected, but you don't correct an injustice by inflicting more of it in a different direction. If you want all people to be treated fairly and equally, then you treat all people fairly and equally. You don't discriminate in any direction based on past discrimination in the other direction as that only continues the injustice.

You want equality, that's equality. Special exemptions for <preferred group> don't make things better, they make things worse.

End of line.

They had a battered men's shelter, once.

Maybe I'm old fashioned but if you want to work out your differences you just throw everyone in the same place and don't segregate. Think it gives you a better chance of finding common ground at the very least.

Please explain how to stop discrimination, then.

Keeping in mind that you're not opposed to some movie roles remaining "whites only."

#BlackDredsMatter.

I will make a Lanzman style argument, thus:

You have to start by recognizing that discrimination is a bad thing.

Yes, we all agree with that. Stop stupidly repeating the same thing that we all agree on. The question regards what is discrimination. You seem to think (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that discrimination can only come under official sanction. Others have pointed out that it is possible for unsanctioned discrimination to be equally harmful. Do you disagree on this point? Yes or no?

I endorse the idea of black-only prisons.

Like most people here, my first reaction to the idea is to cringe, for obvious reasons. But anyone who knows how to mentally put themselves in another person's shoes should be able to understand why your mileage might vary.

As a straight, white, cisgendered male, I've been in both the majority and the group almost everything in our country is designed for (because while men aren't necessarily the majority, most things in American society are designed for our comfort) for my entire life. The only minority I'm in is religious, and even though I've lived in a lot of fairly religious, fairly conservative towns, every workplace I've ever been in, no matter how small, has had at least one other openly atheist/agnostic type.

Most of us have had some experience where we felt a little out of place. Maybe you were the only man in a good-sized team otherwise composed entirely of women. Maybe you were the only fortysomething or fiftysomething in an office full of recent college grads. Maybe you were the only working-class student at a college where your friends all had time to party, but you had to hold down a job (this is a relatively common problem for first-generation college students). Or maybe it was the other way around: maybe you were the only well-off kid in your class, and you always felt awkward talking about your family vacation, your plans for spring break, etc., because you knew your friends couldn't do the same things.

I belong to a young professionals group that was founded by people who wanted to be active in their community, but were tired of going to meetings of Kiwanis or Rotary or this or that committee and always being the youngest person in the room. Heck, I even have an ex-girlfriend whose excuse for believing "anti-white racism is just as big a problem as anti-black racism" was that, once upon a time, she was the only white girl on a basketball team and she felt like an outsider.

It's a fact of human nature that being around people who are similar to you is easier. That's not to say better, and usually we are strengthened by doing the things that aren't easy. But for someone like me, the very mild stressors of the situations I described above might happen ... once or twice a week, if that. It's not hard to imagine that if they make up almost your entire day, your outlook might be different.

People with chronic illnesses sometimes use the analogy of spoons to describe getting through the day. Let's say that you begin each day with a certain number of spoons. Getting dressed in the morning might take one spoon, your commute to work might take two, a stressful meeting might take ten. Most of us can be pretty confident that, most of the time, we will start each day with roughly the same number of spoons, while a person with, say, fibromyalgia or lupus never knows if they'll start the day with fifty or five.

The analogy can be used here too. Let's say that navigating the mild stress of a situation where you're a little bit more on your toes because you're in the distinct minority of a group -- having to think a little bit harder about everything you say, having to wonder if you're rubbing someone the wrong way because your social patterns are different from theirs -- costs one spoon. It's really not that big a deal; it's something that most of us do on at least a semi-regular basis; so just one spoon.

Then let's say that my black lesbian friend and I both start the day with fifty spoons. However, I have one of those one-spoon situations once or twice a week, while she basically spends her day doling out those single spoons one at a time.

Is it really that hard to imagine that her experience might be different from mine, and that she might have a different perspective on this question?

Gul likes to fling racist bullshit like this a lot then has the nerve to claim other people are racist when the topic does not even have anything to do with race.

The first thing is you have equality before the law and stop allowing discrimination. Yes, having a blacks only dorm at a state owned school is state sanctioned discrimination.

Can't. Segregated prisons are illegal.

If segregated prisons are illegal, how come none of us ever have to share a cell with hot Vegas pole dancers?

Define "equality before the law." Do you think we have it now?

Where people are equal before the law without overt race based polices. We are pretty much there though racists are trying to drag us back with demands for government sponsored racially segregated dorm rooms.

Isn't it interesting that the "solutions" are getting more and more ambitious as the "problems" get smaller and smaller. Separate dorms because--heaven forbid!--someone might overhear a racially insensitive remark or be micro-aggressed?

How about: toughen the fuck up and don't let words traumatize you?

But as long as there are those who benefit by catering and pandering to this mentality, we'll see more of this absurdity.

Is there racism that can be considered distinct from government sponsored policy?

Greg Page was the very nice son of a black woman who worked for my mother. He was the first black person to play football for the University of Kentucky. He was micro-aggressed on his first day when the white players beat him to death on the practice field.

But now we need black-only dorms? Obama is taking race relations all the way back to the 1940's.

It's a little easier to say "toughen the fuck up" when the society you live in is basically customized for your convenience.

I'm not sure we're allowed to use the "privilege" argument here.

We're talking about "microaggressions," not cross burnings on the front lawn.

A bit like racists who want to be segregating people based on religion or country of origin....

Of course. People will always have preferences and bias but as long as we have real equality before the law then that anwsers 14D's question about first steps.

Horse shit, we are talking about people who claim to be so traumatized by every day conversation that they are demanding legal segregation (I. E. discrimination in their favor) because the simple sight of someone from another race traumatized them.

Those are just weakling fucktards who really do need to toughen up for the real world.

Yeah, the coded, underground bigotry like driving while black is far better than the blatant Negro codes we once had.

Nope.

Granted, San Diego is its own bubble where cops won't bother pulling over most people doing less than 110 on the freeway but that isn't the case in most areas like the South at all. My roommate from Alabama has told me stops to get their car searched with seats removed were routine growing up. Mind you, she was born in the mid-90s and civil rights had been federal laws for three decades.

By some measure, I guess someone could call me privileged too, since I never had the routine driving while black stops. Maybe when I trade up for an M2 in a couple of years.

You admit they do happen, though.

I consider that progress coming from you.

Promoting racism and segregation is the problem here. This is especially the case if this is a publicly funded university. Racism is literally all there is to it, and anything else is just hiding your head up your own ass.

Pop quiz: Why do you suppose this was requested in the first place? Do you think it might be in response to previous events on campus, or do you believe the answer is "cuz racism?"

Cuz racism. Don't you think whites have had run-ins with blacks on campus for the last 50 years? The answer was not "whites only dorms".