Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

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  1. Dayton Kitchens

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    Probably not that hard to do.

    Hasn't one thing Abramstrek proved is that recasting is no big deal?
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    but they are clear this is prime-verse though so if they make any reference to anyone they'll be re-casting from the Kelvin crew.

    And much as I love Bruce Greenwood, they can certainly cast someone who looks much more like Jeffry Hunter (Sean Maher for instance) - I don't think the sort of folks likely to gravitate to a Star Trek series would blink too much if the actor didn't look like Greenwood (Spock has a particular look so you'd have to end up with someone resembling the predecessors)
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  3. Dayton Kitchens

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    Isn't the "Spock" look in large part haircut and mannerisms?
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    Indeed.

    I look forward to when Trek casts a black midget transgender man I the role for the next reboot :busheep:
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    He'd have to be non-American of course.
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  7. Dayton Kitchens

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    To me the television series "The West Wing" and "Madam Secretary" show why you need the captain of your starship as a central character.

    Both these series started out with the idea that the president of the United States would be a rarely seen figure who would be referred to often but whom the series would not really be about.

    Both of them evolved though within one season into the president being the central (and at times dominant) character. Because you can't really do a show about Washington D.C. politics without a president of the United States.

    Just as I think you can't really do a show about the voyages of a starship without the starship commander.
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    "Lower Decks" and the whole of DS9 seems to suggest otherwise. :borg:

    Sisko was the only Captain of any series to missing out of many episodes and I couldn't tell you which ones they were since the rest of the cast all stood up.on their own merits and could carry their own stories.
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    Deep Space Nine is overrated. Though for three of its seasons (4,5,6) was arguably the best Star Trek series.
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    Single episode one off.
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    Klingons! Klingons! Klingons!
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    really would like to see Sean Mcguire as that Brit doctor.

    Also, why not put Jeff Combs in one of those roles? There's no better way to ensure a quality performance.
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    Or a wide diversity of choices. Jeffrey Combs can play anyone and play it to the hilt.
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    It's Klinguns.:bailey:
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    Thank god there's gonna be a British person represented on TV finally.
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    Yay! Everyone gets a token! :rolleyes:
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    Representation matters. If that bothers you, then you probably deserve to be bothered. :shrug:
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    He fears his straight white manliness might be under threat.....


    ...which is why his hobby is watching cartoons about Japanese school girls. :diacanu:
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    It does indeed smack of obvious tokenism.

    Political correctness of the worst kind.
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    Then you should hate every incarnation of Star Trek and never watch or discuss it again. :shrug:
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    I for one welcome the inclusion of gay Klingons into Trek lore :diacanu:













    .....at least, I hope that's what it is, because what else can they possibly do with the the most overly represented Trek race? Even on Voyager, where I think they only ran into actual Empire Klingons maybe once or twice, we got to deal with B'Elanna and her self hatred of Klingon culture at least three times a year.
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  22. Dayton Kitchens

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    Star Trek is what each fan says it is.
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  23. 14thDoctor

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    No, it's really not. If I say Star Trek is German scheisse porn, you can easily point out that no one on Star Trek is speaking German or shitting on anyone else. :shrug:
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    Berman and Braga shat over the fandom with Voyager. Does that count?
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    a British guy?

    SERIOUSLY?


    Was Scotty tokenism?

    Hell, it's simply a description of the character. I'd bet a shiny nickel that every fan-fic or spec script ever written by someone who thinks they are against tokenism described each character in detail including heritage and appearance.

    I get, though it's only slightly more credible, the complaint that a lesbian, or a Muslim, or a disabled person so described for casting might be accused of tokenism, since these are (for the American audience) distinct minorities. But would we be talking about this if it were, say, Law & Order or NCIS? When Michael Weatherly left, did the producers have an idea of the ethnicity of the replacement,? Sure they did - anyone directly reminiscent of Dinozzo wouldn't get through the door. Which is perfectly fine and no one cares.

    No difference in this list of characters at all, but most particularly the Brit. Hell, it doesn't even say a British WHITE guy does it?
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    I think DS9 made it canon that not only are Brits in the Trekverse, but we're all genetically superior - especially to the Irish, who should just to stick to drinking, be grateful we let them win at darts, and that they can pull a tasty Japanese wife when allowed out of the Jefferies Tubes for their daily hour of light.

    Frankly, the rest of the human race only to play in space because of some Federation Affirmative Action :yes:
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    I'm not white, you idiot. :jayzus:

    As for tokenism and how negative it can be, I only need point to Chakotay. Oh, sorry, was I supposed to be happy that I was "represented" by him? I do not and will not ever understand this obsession certain people have with seeing some "representation" of themselves (or far more likely, of another group they think is underprivileged). Give my compelling characters to watch. It does not matter what someone is, only who they are. :bailey:
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    Who are your role models? Did anyone inspire you to take the path you're on now? :shrug:
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    There wasn't any one character. I developed an interest in engineering thanks to my interest in TNG, not because of Geordi or because I identified with him or anything. Actually Data and Worf were my favorite characters growing up, because they were the most interesting out of all of the characters on the show. :shrug:
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