Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

So both your parents are Indian then?

How do you know these characters won't be?

When the main points of your character descriptions are their race, sex, or sexual orientation, then its tokenism pure and simple.

Them being sold on tolkenism inspires little confidence that they will be.

I'm sure plenty of German Star Trek fans watched Voyager and thought: "Scheisse!"

How is this any different than having a black female Comm officer, an Asian helmsman, a Russian ensign, a Vulcan Science/1st officer, and a Scottish Chief Engineer? I don't see you having any issue with those characters.

Ja.

What Nautical said upthread.

Aside from one episode of DS9 and one admittedly bullshit scene in another episode several seasons later, plus the garbage Magic Injun crap written for Chakotay, Trek has almost never dealt with race for its full blood human characters directly. The closest we got in Enterprise was when Shuttlepod One was originally written for Mayweather instead of Reed to be the one Tucker the southerner befriends after all that. The writers changed their minds when they realized Tucker and Reed would provide more conflict, and also because Anthony Montgomery can't carry an episode if it came on a pallet jack.

I'm looking forward to Discovery only to read the epic trashing its going to receive online. Should make for some very entertaining talkbacks.

Chekov owes more to The Monkees than the Russians

Leila Kalomi was originally meant to be Sulu's love interest in "This Side of Paradise." Make of that what you will.

Why does Anna:QoT think its fantasyland that Discovery is going to be eviscerated by the reviews? The buzz has been nothing but negative.

What do you make of it?

Wow, those spores really are powerful.

Were any of the characters on any of the other shows sold as a token before the show even came out? Well, really, this is actually a case of the show being sold on this basis.

Which is a good thing, as their race shouldn't matter.

It was? Huh, interesting. Actually a good thing, too, since that's one of ENT's few good episodes as it provided some interesting character drama and laid the foundation for a bond between the two similar to O'Brien and Bashir's experience in "Armageddon Game." Or at least it could have if it was followed up on better.

I wouldn't know, seeing as I wasn't around for the casting for the other Trek series.

Agreed. But I don't find the idea of acknowledging a character is gay or casting for a particular ethnicity as inherently racist.

Answer the question, Dayton! You don't appear to care for tokenism, yet TOS had more than its fair share of such, and you have never seemed bothered by that. Why the inconsistency?

Inconsequential characters.

Sulu, Uhura, and Chekov had between them something like a dozen major scenes in three seasons.

So, minorities should be relegated to supporting characters...?

Again, like Nautica, I'm confused by your anger about why the so call tokenism you bemoan was okay for TOS but not here.

Aside from the characters, I wonder what the mood, tempo, main exploratory "agenda" of this show will be?

I think they did 2 good things right off the bat:
1) It's in the Roddenberryverse!
2) It's in Kirk & Spock's time, but tad before!

Who says I was okay with it?

I don't see anything wrong with the main characters on a STAR TREK show being a sampling of humanity from all over the Earth.

That's what TOS did with its main characters!

Really? When was that?

Noting that TOS had only three main characters.

Four if you count the Enterprise.

TOS wasn't an ensemble cast, mostly because no Hollywood studio would greelight a show showing whites and non-whites as being truly equal. Having a Russian on the show, even one modeled off of some boy band, was direct commentary about the world rising above our differences to unite. In 1966, that was all that could be done on an American-centric TV show. I'm surprised that Sulu wasn't the steotypical Asian driver who crashes the Enterprise into the planet every other week.

When was that a stereotype?

And even in this era there were minority characters in major central roles.

What did you think Ricky Ricardo was?

Or Julia?

Perhaps instead they'll be sold on Tolkienism

CBS not sure if TV ready for NuTrek 2.0.

The biggest problem I see with that is their greed regarding the All Access bullshit. Cuz the only genre shows seeing any measure of success are the superhero ones and teeny bopper vampire/werewolf stuff on the CW.

Anyone wondering if sometime in early 2017 that CBS will announce they are abandoning ST: Discovery for various reasons?

No.

I fully expect this to happen.