Trump's Infrastructure Plan

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  1. Dinner

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    You should tell that to left forge because they love to play the ignore the message and attack the messenger game.
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    The F-35 is going to be a problem because for deep strikes it will need a fighter escort. :bergman:

    I would suggest sending feelers to Lockheed about updating the F-23 with all the electronic systems we've developed for the F-22 and F-35. The F-23 had ridiculous levels of performance - along with stealth.
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    a quick look at Toronto/Pearson airport... there's been a 1-2% increase in air traffic every year for the last decade (prior to '05 totals were inclusive of freighter flights, so it's actually a LOT more as they're now counted separately). Since '95 that's meant adding a new terminal, internal transit system, a dedicated commuter service to the city centre, and a population explosion in the surrounding communities.

    My dad spent 28 years of his ATC career there, from when there were only two runways rather than five... Near the end of that, a lot of local control centres were consolidated into larger regional ones. Increasing volume, but lagging in updated technology.

    Airports aren't "showpieces" so much as gateways that tens of thousands of people pass through each day. By necessity, they have to be vanguards of civil engineering as well as architecture.
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    Is the Toronto airport equipped to handle the massive influx of Hollywood celebutants that are moving to Canada?
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    More like train stations, but I get your point. But have you seen subway and train stations in Europe? They're leagues ahead of some of the podunk airports I've flown through in the US.

    Could be worse--our airports could be of equal quality with NY subway stations. :yuck:
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    I agree with this. It is the first sight of a city for millions of people so it is worth spending a little extra to make a good firdt impression.
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    The LA train station is spectacular - and extremely empty.
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    I think most American fliers would settle for reasonable fares and decent treatment both in the airport and once in flight.
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    Also, much like in the US, there are several hub airports in Europe and Asia that facilitate international arrivals and also serve as regional hubs. Beijing, Tokyo, Dubai, London-Heathrow, Amsterdam-Schiphol, Paris-Charles de Gaulle, Istanbul-Ataturk, and Frankfurt each individually experience more daily traffic than 99.9% of US airports.
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    You act like it would make much difference between and $80 landing fee and an $85 landing fee per plane. Oh, and your extra $5 doubles on time performance. Most people will pay marginally more for significantly improve performance.

    Thus why you are stuck making so little teaching in Arkansas. Boom! :facts:
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    Why the unprovoked insult aimed at me?
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  13. Dinner

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    Now I know you are full of shit and never been there. It is over a century old, badly neglected, and has way to many people in it. Especkally since they dug multiple floors so that the subway, metrolink, and buses can all feed into the above ground Amtrak lines.
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    Agreed. What I meant was that they don't need to be pretty. Logan has been under pretty much continuous construction and expansion for a couple of decades. I suspect that is true for most global cities. And it ain't pretty, but I love easy access to flight from a place that's only 10 minutes from downtown.
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    It was an easy target, sorry. The price per plane would be marginal and there are 100-300 people on each plane so, no, there would be very little price difference per person but, yes, having things run efficiently really does improve user experience.

    You are just being penny wise and pound foolish.
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    LAX, on the other hand, looks like a post industrial nightmare imagined in 1960. The place needs to be bulldozed for a fresh start. Acthally, there are whole regions of L. A. which need to be bulldozed for a fresh start.
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    Depends when you are there. It is indeed beautiful and often empty, but in the late afternoon/early evening it gets pretty busy. IIRC, LA has the sixth largest commuter rail system in the country (4th if you consider NYC's 3 systems as one).
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    They must have ruined it after I was there, which would be typical for LA "revitalization".

    "We have this huge, beautiful train station that should itself be a museum, and it only gets a handful of passengers coming in on Amtrak."
    "Hey, let's route all the local riff-raff through it!"
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    yeah... i was wondering about that, too.

    I mean, it's not like the BIA here didn't lobby for years to turn several streets in the neighbourhood car free 8 weekends per year.

    Nor that there's about 10 000 visitors/shoppers to the area on those days.

    And hey... Bike lanes do something like relieve vehicle congestion on major roadways or expedite local commuters? A penny saved isn't one earned anymore, I guess?
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    I was pretty impressed with Munich's airport. It was so clean and pretty. Philadelphia's was probably the grossest one I've been to.
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    It's in Philadelphia, you have to expect that.
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    Yeah, living within cycling distance of the city encourages my partner and I to go and eat/drink out a lot more than we otherwise would. Not only that, but the money we would otherwise have spent on fuel for the car goes into local business instead of Saudi Arabias pocket.
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    Its all a big cash in for the well connected. How is that a surprise?
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    American infrastructure has always been horrible, look at the johnstown flood.
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    found a video of Pedestrian Sunday and close off a couple of our shopping streets to traffic.



    and a walk around on a more regular day...

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    They don't call it Filthadelphia for nothing.
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    Its just a bribe for his campaign buddies.
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    Wasn't it Veterans Stadium that was considered one of the worst dumps in the entire NFL?

    They used to claim the best place to hang out and socialize with fellow fans was the stadium drunk tank.