Editorial from HuffPo

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  1. Bickendan

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    I fully expect the source to be attacked.
    With that said, take the time to read the article, and instead of attacking that it comes from Huffington Post, refute the points, not the source.
    Now, to address another point that will be coming from this request: Why I disregard tabloid sources. The articles I have looked into from those sources never have their sources cited. If I can't backtrack their sources, they're rarely worth considering.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...o-voted-for-trump_us_582e6b1fe4b08c963e343d23
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  2. gturner

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    Sure. No problem.

    Factually wrong. The KKK is the armed wing of the Democratic party. Always has been. Always will be. Sure, they have some members who now vote Republican, but Republicans like cheap black and Hispanic labor. The Klan doesn't like that.

    Russia of course had wild parties to celebrate Trump's victory because Trump's victory meant they weren't going to soon die in a mushroom cloud, because that's what a Hillary victory would have meant for both them and our own liberals.

    If ISIS is celebrating a Trump win, why is the Iraqi and Syrian armies likewise celebrating? The reason is that Trump actually wants to destroy ISIS instead of arming it, which is what Hillary did. She sold them arms, hoping they'd topple Assad. The Gulf States paid her millions of dollars (to the Clinton Foundation) to do just that.

    The magnitude is certainly not registering on Democrats, who are still thinking Hillary can pull it out in the electoral college. :lol:

    For elite liberals who rigged the system, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, John Podesta, and Hillary Clinton... :?:

    ... because he's not racist and sexist and xenophobic. He was the grand marshal of New York Israel parade. He ran the Miss America pageant. He employed more female executives than males, and paid them the same or more in an industry where women were almost unheard of. And of course he married a foreigner who speaks five languages. How's that for xenophobia? :chris:

    If it is, it would be because we've had eight years of racism, sexism, and xenophobia shoved down our throats by the Obama Administration. :dayton:

    And her being female is the only thing that made her noteworthy. Gee, she had a vagina. A dried, crusty one, but a vagina nevertheless. :yuck:

    Who has more family values than Trump? Hell, he likes families so much that he's got several. :bailey:

    Because the mainstream media kept lying to them. They believed Hillary was a shoe-in. How fictional was that? :blink:

    We've been living in a post-truth nation for eight years now. Did you get to keep your doctor? Did your health insurance costs drop by $2,000? :bang:

    Fuck that. I want donuts. :bailey:

    No, it's pretty much conservatives versus tards. :jayzus:

    I guess the author hasn't been paying attention. Journalists, writers, and storytellers have absolutely no allegiance to the truth, or the facts, or to justice. And this just in. Star Wars isn't really a historical documentary. :sigh:

    Um, no. The power structure is what Trump just destroyed. Jeb! Christie, Romney, Cruz, McConnell, Rubio, Hillary, Bill Clinton, Biden, Obama, Lynch, Comey. They're all just road kill now. There's nothing in the middle of the political road but white stripes and dead possums. :storm:

    Or go with the Truth. Hillary is crooked, untrustworthy, and unlikable. Just try finding someone who likes her, even in her own family.

    Shall I go on with this Huffpo train wreck that is his stream of consciousness?
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  4. Amaris

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    I agree that the undercurrent of racism and xenophobia has broken the surface. While it has always existed, most politicians have at least pushed it away when it encroached upon them. There were times when the KKK or other hate groups would try to ally themselves with a GOP politician, and that politician would push them away, because those men and women had the decency to say that racism was not an acceptable form of political currency. Trump comes along, openly embraces it, fosters it, encourages it, and now there are hate groups who feel safe coming out into the light of day, much to the horror of decent human beings everywhere.

    This election also engaged in fact deriding. Not just hyperbole, or obfuscation, but out and out lies, and the people who would dig up the facts in question would be derided for actually seeking the correct information and confronting Trump with that knowledge. Snopes, who has been a longtime ally of evidence based fact checking, has been treated like the National Enquirer, while the National Enquirer gets more consideration as a legitimate fact source. It should be disturbing to anyone who seeks to understand what is going on around them. If the truth sets you free, what does a web of lies do but ensnare you? Trump, Pence, Bannon, everyone on his team up to this point, has employed a web of lies, and instead of being called out on them, instead of people saying "why won't you just tell the truth?" they accept it, and they push away anyone who doesn't line up in lockstep. We are living in a post-truth election, because this time the fact checkers were actively fought against.

    Liberal, moderate, conservative, we should all cherish fact. Not just the truth, because truth can be a philosophical thing. I'm talking about fact, and the evidence that supports it.

    I'm not upset that "my side" lost. I liked Hillary, deep flaws and all, but if John Kasich would have won, I wouldn't have been as worried as I am now. If someone like Mitt Romney would have won, I wouldn't have had many concerns, either, because both of these men have integrity, and try to represent everyone, even those of us who are, in many ways, ideological opposites. I wouldn't have worried that a Romney administration, or a Rubio administration, or even a Paul administration, would actively seek to encourage hate groups, would have purposely invited Russia to hack our government servers, this should concern everyone.

    If you're a straight, white male who is moderately well off, you don't have much to worry about. If you're not, then there are legislative issues Trump and Pence are pushing that will negatively affect you. Women will feel the brunt of it, as will the LGBT community. Muslim families are scared, and for good reason. Yeah, the Democrats use identity politics, and they shouldn't because even when they mean well we all know what happens even when you have good intentions, but Trump is using identity politics as well, and he's using them in the opposite direction. With the Democrats, your identity was a cause for inclusion. With Trump, your identity is a cause for exclusion. What bothers me is that the GOP has gone along with it. They should have spoken out against him. Losing 4 years as President should not have been more important than preserving the rights of people squarely in Trump and Pence's xenophobic crosshairs.

    This isn't politics as usual. This is a real problem. Even now, much of the media is beginning to normalize Trump, and if they do, if he manages to make it all seem like business as usual, then you can expect the racism, the xenophobia, the bigotry to dig even deeper. Humans have no bottom level on this kind of thing. We have the capacity to be truly evil, and most powerfully despicable species. We've seen, throughout history, the levels of depravity to which humanity will descend, and that the people doing it weren't mustache twirling villains. They had the perception of normalcy working in their favor. I do fear what will become the new normal.
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  5. Dayton Kitchens

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    Well for one, what is this stuff about "Newt Gingrich"?

    Does any sitting member of the GOP congress actually take his calls anymore? Much less be led by him?

    Quick answer: Gingrich is simply a dog whistle for Democrats and liberals like the Koch brothers, Rush Limbaugh, and too many others too numerous to list.
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    This just in. The KKK was the armed wing of the Democratic party. It was birthed by Democrats after the Civil War, and then rebirthed by Woodrow Wilson. Robert Byrd, D-WV, was a Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops. FDR appointed a Klansman to the Supreme Court. David Duke ran in the Democratic primaries in '88, long after he was Grand Wizard.
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    Ah, we're back to gturner ignoring the parties' realignment so he doesn't have to defend the GOP's atrocious record on race relations. (Which includes being caught red-handed requesting information about what voting methods are most used by African-Americans, and targeting those methods for elimination with surgical precision ... and that's just the most recent example.)
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  8. gturner

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    You mean the realignment that didn't even start happening until after Bill Clinton was elected, and didn't really pick up steam until George W Bush was in office? Because there wasn't a prior realignment.
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  9. Dayton Kitchens

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    Why is trying to turn out the vote of people who support you an inherently good thing while trying to drive down the turnout of those who oppose you a bad thing

    Same coin. Two sides.
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    Tell that to Richard Nixon.
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  11. gturner

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    Sorry, but the Democrats kept a tight lock on the South long, long past Nixon. Try George W Bush to see it swing Republican.

    In 1992 the Republicans barely won among Southern whites. Prior to that they weren't even competitive.
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    so, the take away is that racism has been entrenched in American politics since forever?
    while one party has made some endeavours to reject and rectify this over the last 30 years, the one recently elected has embraced it?
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  13. gturner

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    Obama's election wasn't that recent. Pretty much everything his administration did was based on race. It's all they could talk about. So we had frequent race riots, which the administration egged on.

    Trump and his supporters were sick of all the racial bullshit. We're all supposed to be just Americans.
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    Can't agree with that. He is a frequent commenter on Fox News, for example. Do you think they would enable the man if he only served the purpose you suggest?

    Anyway, as for the article, yeah, that's basically what I've been saying for several years, now. Truth is largely rejected in favor of dogma. And the thing is, it's not particularly hard to tell the difference. In other words, either people simply don't care, or they are too stupid to know.
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    HA! Fucking A Twitty thank you Ten Luback for pointing this out. Seriously though, that can't be their editorial staff. Sorry but I need to see some proof of this. Okay you must be trolling - no possible way that many white liberal females are gathered in one spot. I need to SNOPES this shit.
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    Now you ask for verification, lol
    But I agree with the skepticism; I've seen the HuffPo's editorial staff pic floating on Facebook for some time now.
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    FoxNews frequently puts people on.........who are willing to come on and talk (which is why Donald Trump was on so many times). The only FoxNews program I remember people being EAGER to appear on was Huckabee. Because Mike Huckabee was known for being very courteous to his guests regardless of their political beliefs and allowing them to actually talk.
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    Huffington Post is nothing more than a propaganda house these days. Sad thing is, it wasn't terribly long ago when even they'd call someone like Suey Park out on their bullshit.
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