Obamacare 2.0

Good job guys. Personally I liked Rand Paul's plan, why not adopt that?
https://reason.com/blog/2017/03/06/the-gops-obamacare-repeal-bill-is-here-i

 

Yeah, looks a lot like instead of repealing it, they're changing a couple of things (for the worse) but leaving most in place.

 

Hopefully the Senate will alter it. Like I said, I like Rand Paul's plan, I could see some of that getting some support. The problem is Trump will probably rubber stamp anything without even knowing what's in it.

 

Yes, I'm sure nothing but positive things will come of this.

 

Well, it's not the Republican party getting together, and saying "our beliefs are wrong, our ideas don't work, so we're going away forever, bubye! ", but I'll take any baby step in that direction too.

 

Probably? He didn't even know he'd signed an EO allowing Bannon to sit in on NSC briefings ahead of actual experts until there was a goddamn outcry about it.

 

Reminded me of you kid.

 

This is vastly more expensive and will cover millions fewer people. Also without the mandate it will not be stable.

 

That's all they really have to do to make their base of supporters happy.

They can keep the same plan, remove the tax mandate, stop calling it Obamacare and most Republicans will be happy with it.

And since they are not gutting it completely Democrats will probably see this as better than the alternatives.

Win for everybody.

 

As long as they're beholden to the Norquist pledge not to put up taxes, there's no version of this that works for any but the wealthy.

 

Leftists will accept nothing, but single payer.

 

I'd accept you having your balls rubbed with a cheesegrater and then smeared in Tabasco.

 

Wow, what a well thought out and reasoned response.

 

Bring your A game, and I might consider upping mine to F.

 

It's actually quite different from what I've read

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/06/new...-obamacare-repeal-replacement-bill/index.html

 

We have single-payer healthcare. I just happen to believe that it should not discriminate based on age.

You seem to be implying that you think Medicare should be abolished?

 

Since there are good systems that aren't single-payer working well in a lot of other countries, that shouldn't be the case.

 

I wasn't implying anything, but I wouldn't be opposed to phasing out medicare under certain circumstances. Though I doubt you could get rid of it all together.

 

True, Henry, but our system is fucked for lots of different reason not present in those states. [not portable when you leave a job, 51 laws on sale of health insurance only tax deductible when offered through employer, not competitive and can't be sold across state lines, etc.]
And we never had Napoleon or Bismark to implement early socialized med, ours is a (poor) patchwork built over government fucking things up (the employer link was a direct result of price control/salary caps adopted during WWII to compensate for labor shortage). So there is no 'wand waving' solution, fixing the US broken system will be a haul, and Obama made it seriously worse, although in relative terms maybe not so much since it was so bad to begin with (went from a grade FAIL 50% to a FAIL 40%).

 

The devil's in the details...

I haven't seen any discussion of insurance limits. The ACA outlawed yearly and lifetime benefit limits. Most health insurance, including through employers, had these limits built in. Cancer could and did bankrupt people that had premium insurance before the ACA.

Policies with very low yearly and lifetime limits were sold to lots of people at low prices: this is the affordability missed by many from the pre-ACA days. What they don't realize is these wouldn't cover them when they needed the most.

Hopefully they don't plan on gutting this part of the ACA.

I know that any tax credit cannot be for insurance that covers abortion under the new plan. Sorry, if you're poor, you cannot get help.

 

It isn't single payer, but I can go for that.

 

Because federal tax credits are the only remaining source of help in the entire US for baby killers, um, I mean for women who want to abort. Under this theory, all private and non-federal assistance of any kind have been crowded out by the apparently monolithic presence of the US fedgov. If any of that was true, what would it say about trust in sprawl of fedgov (and add to that what it says when people can no longer function for themselves having become dependent 'wards' of the fedgov, all inner resources having been left spent, or atrophied to point of uselessness)?

You've basically indicted as useless all non-fedgov tax credit resources including family, charity, or local or state assistance.

 

No, but it's the only way they can afford to buy insurance. Discretionary income for abortions is hard to come by. Charity, local or state assistance may not exist, especially in today's far right climate.

Oh, and coverage is less expensive for abortion than covering birth. Less risky too. Insurance companies are happy to cover them.

Which is all moot anyway as this plan has a snowflake's chance in hell of passing both houses.

 

This is absolute garbage. This bill was hidden from public view because it was written by lobbyists.

It takes Obamacare and literally makes it worse. The system was breaking under Obamacare but the Republicans have decided to break the system twice as fast and sign their fucking name on the dotted line and own that shit.

We will eventually be forced as country into single payer healthcare but it won't be because of Obamacare. It will be because of the fucking idiotic Republicans.

 

Im sure this is just a first draft. They can always modify it here and there.

 

They've had eight years. This is exactly what they their campaign donors wanted.

 

So the HHS ducks questions on whether millions will lose coverage and the GOP are dismissing any CBO score it might get because they got estimates on Obamacare enrollment wrong (due to the GOP fucking around with the process, but hey).

People are calling the bill DOA but HuffPo argues it was never intended to live in the first place.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._58bf49dce4b054a0ea65f198?section=us_politics

 

The official name for the ACA replacement is "World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017".

I really wish I were joking: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275

 

Wow, that is a really bad name even by Congressional naming standards. Sure, it is a complete shit sandwich but I can see Ryan saying "If we name it the world's best healthcare plan everyone will love it! Who will say they are against the world's best healthcare plan?".

 

That is a great name, but sadly not the real official one.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats...world-s-greatest-healthcare-plan-of-2017.html