Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

Wait, I have an explanation for everything. When the Kelvin was attacked, it also altered the prime timeline as well.

That's fine if you want an updated look. I want that too. But then why this is in a part of the timeline where it is clearly incongruous?

Set it in the year 3000 or something. Or set it in the Abrams Trekverse. This is already setting themselves up for failure IMO.

Even Enterprise felt incongruous to the part of the timeline it supposedly took place in, which is one of the reasons I never bothered with it.

I guess they are probably going for the new fans that don't know or care about continuity and that's fine. But I think I'll pass.

As I've said before, you can't keep the TOS look and feel - how can you convincingly make a show set in the future if everything about it looks dated? Even trying to maintain that look in a modern way would fail, so why put on the hair shirt or, worse, stroll around the Paramount lot nekkid with a number of Trekkies howling 'shame!' after every TOS sound effect they've get on their phones, all because you overlooked one little thing?

Prequels are a dangerous road to tread in sci-fi, and a complete fucking minefield if there's a half century gap between the original and the prequel.

I'm going to watch it in the mindset that had Roddenberry and co had access to today's tech, TOS wouldn't look like TOS, so why would a prequel? The DS9 Tribbleations ep was brilliant fun, but was a disservice to the series in maintaining unrealistic expectations of revisiting the franchises' past. It The Force Awakens before TFA was a twinkle in JJ Abrams eye.

My concern is good writing, decent acting and enjoyable stories.

The trailer intrigues me - not seeing anything new, but the Trek franchise always draws me in, so going to give it a chance and hope they do a good job.

This woman captain is as weird as Picard. she takes Burnham out into the desert for a Lawrence of Arabia hike to talk about a promotion to captain

Picard made Worf dress up as a sailor on a giant boat and made him jump up and catch a hat to become a Lt. Commander.

I've said it before and I still believe it. One of the major problems with producing Star Trek is Star Trek: The Next Generation. While Star Trek fans by and large consider Deep Space Nine to be the best post TOS series, producers and the "suits" consider TNG to be the standard of greatness. After all, TNG had higher ratings and they managed to make four movies based on it.

IIRC, the producers of Voyager openly admitted they wanted to duplicate TNG.

And thus lies a problem, TNG was deeply flawed and has aged poorly in almost all respects. It especially falls short in terms of how modern television dramas are written and their story progression lays out.

I finally got to see it - and it looks like a cross between Enterprise and JJTrek. Not promising.

I won't be sucked into the Old Man 60's trek or bust nonsense.

TOS sucked.

TNG was great
DS9 was a masterpiece.

Vgr and Ent were tired, and losing steam

JJ Trek is fucking fun and exciting and revitalized trek.

Discovery looks like the Vanguard novels. where there's an overall story\mystery.

Again: TOS Sucks.

On what basis do you condemn Star Trek: The Original Series? Because you're not the idiot who slams the design of the original Enterprise because the warp engine pylons are supposedly too thin.

Maybe he thinks it didn't have enough space battles?

Had two good actors. Nimoy and Kelley. was hamfisted and lame. Suns of God? Gangsters? a giant snow cone eating planets? kirk falling in love with that horirble bitch from Dynasty? Foo man Choo Klingons.

Oh yeah.

Because the lobster headed Klingons added SOOOO MUCH to science fiction lore.....

And I don't know how old you are, but Joan Collins in "City on the Edge of Forever" was more than a decade and a half BEFORE dynasty.

Didn't the Enterprise mirror universe two parter pretty much prove you could do good modern Star Trek episodes with the sets, effects, and even the uniforms of the original series?

22 people saw that episode when it aired. Normal audiences for televisions would laugh at it.

I second the motion.

The series had already crapped out by that point and was slated for cancellation. Prove that "normal audiences" would laugh at it.

can't. series was to niche. can't get a big enough sample to watch it.

That is all.

Space lesbians?

Go away.

Why do you and your ilk always delight in inflicting your baneful presence upon such good people as ourselves?

Because ass cream like dayton's trying to convnice people tng sucks and TOS is the only good trek. Sure. and adam west is the best batman

Adam West is the best Batman from Hollywood.

(Btw, Tom King's current Batman in the comics is a good candidate for at least the best five of all time. Good times.)

I've never claimed that you idiot. I generally like TNG (and DS9) though I think it never quite lived up to its potential.

No. It was a nice trip down memory lane though.

Yeah, a "In A Mirror Darkly", or a "Trials & Tribbleations", here and there as a nostalgia treat is fine, but a whole series?
That's supposed to appeal to other people besides us nerds?
Ssss...yeah, no.

THIS!

A thousand times THIS

The Adam West thing reminds me of when he guest starred on "The Big Bang Theory" as a special guest for Sheldon's birthday. While they were driving him to the party the guys got into a debate with him about who was the best Batman. Naturally West insisted he was while the guys insisted Christian Bale was best.

West pointed out that the modern Batman's all had padded suits while his was "100% West". And that it got him into "nightclubs, concerts.....Julie Newmar's bungalow" ........

At which point Leonard conceded that West was indeed the best Batman.

TNG was not flawed for the era in which it was produced, but I do agree that it has aged quite horribly.

I just wink and nod, plus, I have a personal retcon.

IMO the "prime" timeline is not really the prime timeline either, it's the First Contact timeline (of which the Kelvim timeline is an offshoot)
Enterprise established there were remanents of the Borg incursion left over after First Contact and we know, of course, that the Cochran camp had some knowledge of the future so...altered timeline.

Serves as a catch-all for all modern filmmaking "incongruity" including uniforms, holograms, ship design, and so forth

Kevin Conroy.


Assuming you count Timmverse as "from Hollywood"