A Chart to Help Those on the Fence About Punching Nazis

Yes, absolutely.

You can, right now, for yourself, see footage of BLM protests calling for cops to be killed. Then one of them did so. It's pretty straightforward, and as you say, "blindingly obvious." So is what's good for the goose good for the gander, or not?

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Not when you're looking for eggs, no. Genocide is the main platform of National Socialism. That's what it is about. It's not some extreme version of it, not a fringe element, not something that -- as arguably in Communism -- follows as a bad result from good intention. It is the intention.

And again, you know this, I know this, everyone knows this. Everyone understands that the United States went to war against the Third Reich, not against Black Lives Matter activists. That you prevaricate here, far beyond any of the particular falsehoods you're delivering, makes your intention equally clear.

Shut the fuck up.

Because there's a whole thread dedicated to the idea that it's completely fine to punch someone because you don't agree with them and a lot of people here are fine with that.

Ok, it's a deal.

Disagreement is not the right word for what is going on here, even though it is included in what is going on here. A murderer can't defend his murder by saying it was his way of expressing himself and therefore free speech.

There's video of a group of the Nazi-types beating the crap out of a black guy in a parking garage. No arrests have been made to my knowledge, though.

I'm making a point that while Hilary was far, far from perfect, she was a clearly more qualified choice to run this country than Trump on his best day. Yes, she made her superpredator comment twenty some odd years ago. That's the casual racism that society at large accepts and we need to work on that.

But as Diacanu said, denouncing supremacists as they march down Main Street USA is the political equivalent to shooting fish in a barrel and Trump had the aim of your average stormtrooper.

Okay, I get the visceral and righteous joy out of punching Nazis. I mean, really, I imagine even most Nazis cheer when a Nazi gets punched on telly, before doing a double-take, shrugging and getting back to the cheering.

But unless they're actively being violent - and no, shouting nasty words and doing the salute isn't violent, it's idiocy - punching them is just short term emotional gain.

Now, I've a very much Voltairian attitude to the right to run your mouth off, so if they want to, let them. Moment they do something actively criminal, stamp down on them hard. They love authority, so it'll give them a secret boner anyway.

But, back to punching.

What, exactly, are you thinking it'll achieve? A world where citizens can punch Nazis just because? I see two options happening:

Option One

The Grand Nutjob sits at the head of the table in their fruity clubs HQ, the rest look to him, confusion in their eyes

Grand Nutjob: Well boys, seems that pretty much everyone is against us to the point where physical violence is now acceptable at our very appearance. Now, seems to me that not everyone else is wrong, so I'm thinking we just got our heads wrong. I'm saying we disband, never speak to each other again and forget this part of our lives.

Nazi Bob: But... It's the annual BBQ this weekend.

Grand Nutjob: I know Bob, and we're all gonna miss your BBQ. Though not as much as we'll miss your sister. Only rack better'n your ribs!

Bob goes a little red. The rest chuckle.

Grand Nutjob. So yeah. Last one out want to knock off the lights?

Option Two

The Grand Nutjob is spitting in rage. Fist hammering down on the table.

Grand Nutjob: Have you seen the news? Well have you? Open season on us! Godfearin' white folk getting punched for standing up for their Gawd given rights! This won't stand! The kikes and the queers in the media and the courts, and a government still infected from an uppity nigger who not only didn't know his place, but the nation stuck in the goddamned White House! These are not my courts, this is not my government, but this is my damned country, and we're taking it back! We ain't starting next election. We ain't starting next year. We ain't even starting next week. We begin today. We hit back. Harder. Every punch is met with a harder punch or a blade or a bullet!

Rest of nutjobs start whooping and flattening beer cans on their foreheads. Clacking can be heard.

And I'm thinking option 2 is the one they'd pick.

You beat these pricks with love. Surround their little protest with a carnival. Get every LGBT relationship, every mixed race race couple around them and snog! Swap spit for freedom, and watch their nasty little faces crumple into rage. Let those fuckos start the violence, but you finish it.

Stick it all over social media. Let the public look and laugh as the Nazis do their little po-faced rants as they're surrounded by people living life.

Hell, find out if any of them have sick relatives and have a whip-round. Let their grateful families apply some pressure.

Violence in a democracy works best against those who already have power, not those seeking a platform to acquire it. Those you beat by simply being better, by mocking them and reducing them to nothing.

Since these raging assholes are apparently contemplating a demonstration right here in DC this weekend, I am seriously considering going up to do exactly what you propose.

Never again.

I dunno, nonviolent opposition doesn't seem to have wiped out the KKK, and violence sure appears to have all but eliminated the Black Panthers.

Active KKK groups have been on the decline for some time, and whilst the Trumptards have seen an uptick interest the direction is definitely towards obsolescence.

And the Black Panthers come with a complexity. I mean, the US has a streak of antipathy towards the black communities - look at the increasingly exposed brutality by some police. If the US Nazis had implicit support from authorities, as did oppression of the Panthers, then we're back to my view that if they've power, take it from them, violently if necessary.

As far as I can tell, they've none though. An apologist-in-chief stinking up the White House, but even that clown's attempts to imbue them with some normality is just seeing him lose reach instead.

Has anyone been making that argument? So far, we've seen mostly conservatives or libertarians saying you can't just walk up to a guy who identifies himself as a Nazi and punch him for no reason. @Anna started this thread and seems to think you can. I haven't seen her or others say otherwise. Do you believe it's okay (legally) to punch someone just because you disagree with them?

I think I was quite clear on this. No, I don't think it is ok to punch a Nazi for expressing Nazi ideas. I do think it is ok to punch him when he grabs a torch and marches through the streets, threatening the rest of us.

Yeah, keep making excuses - all you're doing is illustrating your double standard.

Even grabbing a (tiki) torch and marching down the street is not enough and if you assaulted someone who is marching with a torch and they haven't harmed you, you would go to jail and they would get to go home. If Anna thinks it's okay to run up to someone and punch them, then she should try it and see what happens.

Kiss my mongrel ass, racist.

Because "progressives" keep either making excuses for it, hence the butthurt about the "both sides are just as bad" statement.

Which we all know represents everything from actual peaceful protest to idiots there to start a fight because "punch a Nazi."

Would that be the "liberals get the bullet too" message?

It's funny you should put it that way, because I've seen other "progressives" (no, not in this thread or on this board, yet) defend antifa's violence and this whole "punch a Nazi" schtick as a form of protest, and therefore protected speech.

So, basically "I'm taking my problems with the Youtube comment section out on WF".

Fuck you.

If you think that, then I still think you've fallen victim to blind jingoism. She was horrible in different ways, and that's about all there is to it.

Hasn't he, though. I mean, I know it wasn't good enough for most people because of the "both sides" aspect of it, but it's there. It is pretty sad he seems to pussy-foot around it, though.

Go fuck yourself.

This wasn't YouTube, this was another Star Trek board of all places. Hilarious given Star Trek always advocating against using violence as a first resort. Guess they were all there for the space battles, too.

It could have been said better. When he tweets, he's a horrible writer. He shouldn't be tweeting important messages through twitter, he shout make a speech from the Oval Office or something.

So that makes it better!

Gargle horse jizz.