Solo: A Star Wars Story

Oh please. Solo is the very best example of production line average. Star Wars should aspire to be more than that and the volume of content and the fact that none of the Disney Wars movies have been truly standout betrays the fact that it is all about milking a property and little more.

I bet the people crying "franchise fatigue", all go to see Jurassic World 2.

I dont believe in fan fatigue. There's what? 2 or 3 marvel movies a year, and you know what? I enjoy and look forward to them, it's only recently I've felt any apprehension to any of them is because they injected politics into black panther, and comic book captain marvel is really damn toxic.

I felt kind of disappointed with TFA, it was pretty much just a rehash of ANH, but if Luke were a Mary Sue. I like rogue one, which made me ignore a lot of the politics and dumbfuckery (not mutually exclusive) I saw going on behind the scenes and bought a ticket for TLJ. Holy fuck that movie was hot garbage, pretty, but garbage.

So, I started to pay attention to the production of Solo, and didn't like what I saw. When you fire your directors over halfway through production, it's almost a garaunte that the movie isn't going to be good. That plus the fact that once again politics rears its ugly head in the promotional material, and I decided to pass on Solo.

Black Panther's existence is political.
Sand those jagged corners off, then it's not Black Panther, but Generic Hero #5 with a Black Panther paint job.

If all your character has going for him is identity politics, that character isn't a very good one.

If your argument reduces down to a conservative media buzzword, it isn't a very good one.

Because of the reshoots the budget for Solo is north of $250 million dollars. More than the Force Awakens.

I've seen it said that it needs to break $500 million to just break even and Disney will consider anything under $800 to be a failure.

It has a big part to do with it. I didn't say it was the only factor.

The Last Jedi was terrible and a lot of people were upset about it. Enough so that it had an impact on this movie.

So, you're saying that you don't care if it's a brain surgeon or a thoracic surgeon who operates on your brain tumor, so long as someone cuts you open and takes it out?

You admit it yourself, "sand those jagged corners off" and the character becomes generic. What are those rough edges? He's black. That's it. That's the "rough edge". That's also pretty much all I really heard about coming from the people promoting it. They played politics with the character's identity, and it cooled down the excitement I felt for the movie that civil war built me up for.

You have to remember that that $250m budget is just for the film, there's merchandice and promotion, which isn't factored in to that. Judging by that $800m figure, that's going to be another $150m spent on that, as a film like this is considered a "success" when it doubles itself.

So's Wayne Brady.

Incorrect.

The rough edge is not sugar coating black history.
Or ignoring it.
You want to ignore it, you've got 18 other Marvel movies.
Knock yourself out.
If you want me to let it slip by without comment, or for that comment to be "you're a good person", keep dreaming.

Not going to see JW2.

Also don't believe in fatigue.

Disney should have been more careful with whose making their Star Wars movies. Bad stories coming out while the movie was being made was not a good thing.

Yeah, they should have used fixers like Trump.

The movie does a pretty good job of sugar coating and ignoring black history in it's own right. It's the opposite extreme to the klan characature of the bone-in-nose savage. Wakanda is a country that is a super advanced peaceful Utopia because the white man never showed up to interfere. Um, no. No one person, let alone a race is perfect. Certain African tribes had their own role in chattel slavery, and from what I hear, still do.

And no, I'm not a good person, but it's not because I don't see myself as "woke" or an "ally" wracked with guilt over the deeds of the ancestors of a relatively few number of people.

And I'm sure the Youtuber you no doubt lifted that rhetoric from thinks he's clever.
For lifting it from Beitbart, or Reason.

@We Are Borg will deny all of this.

I do get fatigue with certain franchises but that really is due to the quality of the movies for the most part. I also want to see new ideas. Rehashing of old stuff doesn’t interest me. For example...

Marvel - I’ve enjoyed every movie so far except Iron Man 3 and each movie has been pretty unique, I like the story they are building so I’m in for at least the next 3 movies. After Avengers 4 I may decide to jump off this train. Maybe.

DC - I’m done with DC. Of the 5 entries so far the only one I really liked was Wonder Woman and I’ll watch WW2 but have no interest in the other stuff.

Star Wars - I’ve always felt that Star Wars movies should be special events and it’s obvious they are just churning these out to make money. I will see episode 9 just to see how that particular story ends (though I wasn’t a huge fan of 8) but I don’t care about the side stories and the proposed Rian Johnson trilogy. I’m still annoyed that they shelved the EU

Star Trek - Havent really cared about new Trek in a long time. Not since Ds9 really. The Abrams movies are fun popcorn movies but I don’t really think of them as Star Trek. Might have been interested in Discovery if they had gone with a far future, post 24th century premise but don’t have any interest in another prequel/retcon. But for people that are enjoying it, great.

Harry Potter - I read the seven books and watched the 8 corresponding movies. They were fun and they told a complete story. But have no desire to see more of this universe. No interest in the Fantastic Beast prequel movies.

Jurassic Park - Have not watched a single one since the original. How many times can you watch the exact same thing over and over again?

Pirates - Watched and enjoyed the original. Gave the 2nd one a chance but didn’t like it at all and haven’t bothered with any of the others.

Terminator - This is a series that never should have gone past T2. Nothing since then has been any good and the most recent one was a complete mess. Not interested in any more. Arnold needs to hang it up. Same goes for Stallone/Rambo and Cruise/Mission Impossible. Give it up guys.

Alien - Same boat. Nothing since Aliens has been very good. I sort of enjoyed Prometheus because I felt it was trying to do something different and had a different tone and concept but I know many people didn’t enjoy it. All the other aliens are really just more of the same, just with different xenomorph variations. Won’t watch anymore.

What else is an ongoing franchise?

As for Solo... I didn’t dislike it but it was a solid ‘meh’. This wasn’t a story I needed to see and it didn’t blow me away. Very forgettable. And lacking in all tension since you know Han, Lando, and Chewie all survive for the OT. Suspected Harrelson’s character would die and suspected that Kira would turn... all very predictable. The only real surprise was the one at the end but I wonder where they would go with that. Since we know how his story ends too. Just watch the Rebels episode ‘Twin Suns’.

There are exceptions of course.

Of course if I needed a bullet out of the chest I might not need a surgeon at all. I might need someone like Ferdinand DeMera.

Personally I don't believe in "fan fatigue" either. The "fatigue" I think that really matters (and you saw it a lot in Star Trek) was "creative fatigue" among writers and producers who just can't seem to write anything new or try a new take on something while working in an existing franchise.

You see that now in the Abramsverse of Star Trek. Sky high budget and production values. Good direction and production. But for three movies they've been basically simply redoing stories that have been done repeatedly in the Trek franchise.

This. I was just talking to a friend of mine about this last night. Marvel churns out movie after movie and I gladly line up to see them. Star Wars doesn’t have to have the same story told over and over. I’ve heard a lot of good ideas from a variety of fans that would have been interesting. My friend asked a good question, why did only one storm trooper turn? Why couldn’t Rey join Kylo Ren in a naive attempt to do good? You don’t have to copy the OT to make it a good story. The problem here is Kathleen Kennedy, straight up. Put Dave Filoni in charge and I guarantee it will turn out better.

https://www.cbr.com/solo-rey-star-wars-ultimate-mary-sue/

Ayup.

Wow, what a disingenuous article. Luke had to train, he got his ass kicked, got shit on a lot. Anakin goes from 8 to 18, has 10 years of proper Jedi training, not everyone trusts him, and he doesn't always win. In fact, his life becomes one of pure misery. Rey, otoh, everyone instantly loves her, even the villain, doesn't have to train because she just magically absorbed snokes knowledge when he died. Not like she needed it, because she was already the best at it anyway, being able to out mind walk Ren with little to no effort. She wins every fight flawlessly. She's a perfect marksman with a blaster after one little "tee hee, safety's off" moment. Her first shot with the falcon's gun blasts 3 tie fighters. Cool looking, yes, but holy crap is she even capable of missing a shot?

Rey's Mary Sue moments that I found most egregious:

1. She was able to repair the Falcon in a way Han Solo--who owned and maintained the ship for decades--apparently couldn't.

2. She wins a light saber duel with a very skilled, powerful, and well-trained practitioner of the Dark Side.

I'm more forgiving toward (2) because Ren was wounded.

Anakin flew a ship with button jabbing.

Those scenes I don't have a problem with. Platt has Rey fuck with the falcon. And she makes her living repairing tech, so sure, she could fix the falcon. And yes, Ren was hit with a blaster that blew stormtroopers to pieces. My problems with Rey s mary sueness come mostly from the stuff I mentioned in the post above.

WTF are you talking about? She was missing all over the place.
Especially vs Ren.

Snoke wasn't too impressed.

If you're talking saber skills, she practiced melee combat with the staff all her life.

1- yeah, against Ren, plot armor, but her first time with a blaster, there's the afforementioned safety bit, one miss for posterity, then 3 dead stormtroopers.

2-but he still wanted to train her, probably to replace Ren because she's so much more powerful.

3-not just the lightsaber skills, which is still a little bullshit, train with a staff for a good while, then try sword training, totally different animals, but at least she got to swing at a rock a few times in TLJ. But no, I was talking more about the force powers, Ren mindwalks her to try to get info, and she turns it on him immediately. She can mind trick with just a little practice, that felt the same as with the blaster.

Luke could barely use the force until Yoda spent a month training him, and then he gets his ass kicked by Vader and loses an arm. That was important, it showed that Luke still had to learn. Its part of the heroes journety. Rey has never lost a fight, nor will she.

She didn't turn Ben back to the good side.
Aside from Snoke dying, you could argue her side mission was as much a flop as Finn's.

That's a bit of a reach. Oh no, edgy emo boi is still edgy emo boi, but our Mary Sue WILL change him, oh yes. Totally the same as Luke's confrontation of Vader at cloud city or Anakin's defeat at the hands of Dooku.