Unmasking Antifa Act introduced in Congress, carries potential 15 year prison sentence

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  1. Diacanu

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    It'll be some alt-right blog.
    Not even a famous one like Breitbart.
    Something you've never heard of, but it'll have lots of flags, and eagles.
    And in the sidebar, it'll be plugging books like "here on the doll is where liberalism touched me", and "I got back in the kitchen, and I loved it: a former feminist tells her true tale of liberation".
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  2. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Carrying a gun in itself is not evidence of evil intent. Many people do so on a daily basis simply for their own protection. Also, Constitutional right.

    Wearing a mask in itself is not evidence of evil intent. Many people do so on October 31, and people have plenty of reasons to do so at other times.

    But do either one of those things while engaging in violent, unlawful activity and your punishment should be enhanced.
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  3. Amaris

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    Anything is a crime if the state is against you.

    Now, where’s your link to support your statement that says Antifa is a fascist cult and people have to struggle to escape it?
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  4. Amaris

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    You’re okay with kids being put in cages.
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  5. Diacanu

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    I thought rightforge was against increased sentences for political shit.
    That why you guys hated hate crime laws all these years.
    A murder is a murder, an assault is an assault, and race shouldn't factor into it.
    Now masks are okay?
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  6. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    I don't get what's so violent and intimidating about Antifa super soldiers on a mission to kill all white parents

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    You poor brain damaged idiot. At least two of them were written by former members. There is a reason that terrorist group's founder is currently in jail where she belongs and, no, she was never a good person. She was even worse with her cult members.
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  8. Amaris

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    Link.
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  9. Diacanu

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    You mean those books exist?
    Holy shit I just made them up!
    Gimme an Amazon link, I gotta see this shit.
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  10. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Really, John Castle was in fucking Antifa, and he pretends he doesn't have book material!!??
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  11. Paladin

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    It isn't political; my position applies to everyone right, left, center, or whatever. You can protest. You can protest with a mask on. You can protest with a gun in your pocket. You can cover your face life Antifa or do it like the KKK.

    But if you do it and commit a violent crime, it should be considered as an attempt to conceal your identity to allow you to escape prosecution for the crime.
    Hate crimes punish opinion, and, in doing so, make some victims more valuable than other victims.
    Again, masks are fine...as long as you're not engaging in criminal activity while wearing one. :shrug:
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  12. Amaris

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    So why the issue with wearing a mask to a protest? Protests are still legal.
  13. Diacanu

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    Well, that's half of all superheroes locked up.
    Congratulations, you're pro Sokovia accords.
    :bailey:
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  14. Zombie

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    The people in American protests wearing masks are not protecting their identities from authorities seeking out dissenters. They are trying to prevent themselves from being identified while they commit criminal acts.

    You can't have it both ways. If you want Antifa to be able to wear masks then all those asshole Nazis get to wear them too.

    There are no good non-violent reasons to wear a mask.
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    Assuming that people with powers did exist they would have been identified publicly long ago. There is no way the government, the media, the law, or the people are going to let super-powered people run around without being identified.

    And the government would no doubt have kill squads out for sup-people who need to be brought in because they are trouble.

    No way someone like, Magneto, kills thousands of people and isn't hunted down to the ends of the Earth and killed by every government on the planet that gets him in their sights.
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    Team Iron Man?!?

    Goddammit.
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    READ WHAT I'M WRITING. I WENT BACK AND BOLDED IT FOR YOU.

    I have said--repeatedly--that I am neither against protests nor wearing of masks, nor even protesting while wearing a mask.
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    Lies! You’re on the right so that means you’re arguments are no different than that bastard Zombie. You all think the same no matter what words you use.
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    I want to get this straight here. So if I beat you, rape you, and Rob you while showing you my face things are so much nicer we will need to ad an extra penalty for wearing a mask?

    Don't ever let the right wing say they are not stupid ever again.

    Criminals will wear masks to obscure their identities. It is part of their job at times. The mask is not the crime. Stop trying to deflect.
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    Would be very interesting to map support for this law against opposition to hate crimes laws.
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    https://attackthesystem.com/2017/02/09/former-antifa-speaks-out-against-antifa/amp/

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/hotair...ifa-member-think-people-making-us-dumber/amp/

    I also suggest you look up Yvonne Felarca as she has done some actually cult like brain washing and abusing of followers. Demanding they turn over all money and identification to her, demanding they not have contact with anyone outside the Antifa cult, trying to have people arrested or committed to insane asylums under false pretenses if they try to leave the cult, then of course her ni.erous terrorist attacks and violent attacks on anyone and everyone she disagrees with including fellow leftists. She is just a piece of shit which is why she is now in prison.
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  23. Amaris

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    The bill considers intimidation to be criminally actionable. By simply wearing the mask, these people would be at risk of breaking the law.
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    You don't believe in any enhancers? They are pretty standard here. This really is just am enhancer to an existing crime.

    To compare a "hate crime" is an entirely new and separate offense instead of just an enhancer to the original offense. So why some of you wrongly think these are remotely similar is a mystery to me.
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    You quote Hot Air, which is a member of the Town Hall media group, along with RedState and Bearing Arms, a right wing conservative publishing group. You also linked to an anonymous contributor on someone's blog, where the original link there doesn't even work any longer. I owe @Diacanu a Coke.

    That said, I do not doubt there are elements in Antifa who take things too far. It happened in groups like SNCC as well, back in the Civil Rights Era. Extreme violence certainly is not the answer, compassion and kindness should be exercised. It doesn't condemn the entire sect in the U.S.
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    You are dumber than I thought. There are two sources and two stories on two different topics.

    It is not taking this too far by elements. Read the first link, the one you ignored, because it is a great first hand account. Also the author was outed a while back and positively identified as a former Antifa member so his insider's account is well worth reading.
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  27. Amaris

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    I read them both. I asked you for a link. Surely you didn't think I was going to suddenly say you were right because you actually sent me a link? That would be idiotic on my part. A link has to be studied, the sources verified. The first link was to Hot Air, a member of the TownHall Media Group, which also includes RedState and Bearing Arms among others. Those are staunchly right wing publishing outlets that have a very strong bias against Antifa in the first place. So your first source is immediately slanted.

    Your second source was a blogger who posted an anonymous article from someone who claimed to have been in Antifa. The article the blogger linked went to a 404.

    All I can wonder is whether or not this is all you have left? You toss out a few links after several requests, which thank you for actually providing links, but then you act like you expect me to immediately accept them without reading through them.

    I've already said that there are always elements of any group (like Antifa) that go extreme, and engage in violence. What else do you want? If you want me to say you're right, I can't, because you're not. You stated the entire movement was a cult, an absolutely evil and violent one in every way: https://wordforge.net/index.php?goto/post&id=3062978#post-3062978

    At best you're an "incomplete."
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    There isn’t just one Antifa. All the various different groups have in common is they are called by that name, and they haunt the bedwetter dreams of righties the world over. So even if you could prove that one Antifa group was a cult, that says nothing about any other group you want to stick that label on.
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  29. Zombie

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    And of course, we have to point out that Diacanu is using the typical extreme examples argument.

    This is the text of the law that was proposed:

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/6054/text

    "Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, while in disguise, including while wearing a mask, injures, oppresses, threatens, or intimidates any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both."

    So it's not enough that you're wearing a mask. Under this law, you would also have to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate another person.

    Wearing a mask because your face was eaten by cancer is none of those things.
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    There's the rub......

    I haven't seen anyone on the left or the right who was wearing masks that weren't getting violent. There is always violence when people at protests are wearing masks.

    Wearing a mask emboldens a lot of people to do things they might not necessarily do if they weren't masked.
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