2020 Presidential Primaries

You've never relied on incomplete information because people want answers from you? Not that you've ever been in a position where people consider you well-informed.

And it would not be enough to just "draw from both parties". It would have to draw heavily from both parties.

Furthermore, it would be handing victory to whichever of the parties is the furthest from its own ideology. A major socialist party, for example, would give victory to the Republicans, because it would draw very few Republican voters but a lot of Democrats. A major libertarian party would just give victory to the Democrats, for the same reason (though in the opposite direction, of course).

As I said, it's sad, but it's now a fact of American life. There can be no serious alternatives to the Republicans and the Democrats in the USA. And since both parties are more concerned with their own power than actually doing what is best for people, it does not bode well for the long-term future of the country.

Everyone who tried to say that incident happened after a spontaneous demonstration due to a video few had even heard of has no business being in the white house. Only an idiot (Obama Fan)would believe the killing of our ambassador on THAT day wasn't planned and premeditated. Im sure there are people on Bidens staff that will tell him there are far better vp picks with less baggage.

After spelling out in his post Tuesday debacle speech just what he plans to ask Biden in the next debate, Sanders told Jimmy Fallon that he thinks Biden can beat Trump. It just hardens my belief that Sanders wants one more shot at the polls and one more chance to make his case. If it doesn't happen, I think he'll either throw in the towel or scale back his campaign and refrain from any personal attacks.

This hasn't aged well......

Looks like the Old horse that should stay home will be the nominee.

Lmao you all still have your panties in a bunch over Benghazi?

But her eeeeeeeeeemails

With the spread of the Coronavirus, someone please warn any young women who will be at a Joe Biden rally and within sniffing distance. Just to be safe.

You only care about dead Americans when it's a Republican in the White House?

Everyone who tried to say that incident happened after a spontaneous demonstration due to a video few had even heard of has no business being in the white house. Only an idiot (Obama Fan)would believe the killing of our ambassador on THAT day wasn't planned and premeditated. - TR

wait...so you're telling me that the average protestor doesn't walk around with a rocket launcher and fully automatic weapons?

Yes BUT...

*the nation has now seen what happens when you allow a buffoon to become president, and as we speak that is only being magnified
*for whatever reason, Clinton didn't energize black voters - Joe doesn't have that problem
*all those asshole who voted for Bernie in the primary last time them voted for Trump? This time the nominee has a dick and that's apparently a deciding factor for most of them.

I said "ought to"
I stand by that.

But this time with a penis.
Which apparently matters.

Do you have any hard data, beyond your own prejudices, that it is a question of being a man or a woman? Because from where I'm seated, and what I'm hearing, it is because Biden comes across as a nice (if admittedly somewhat bumbling) person, where Hillary Clinton didn't. I know that there are lots of women I would vote for as president (I have a great deal of admiration already for Angela Merkel of Germany), but in 2016 I vowed I would never vote for Hillary Clinton, not even to block Trump. It is true that today I might vote for, having seen just how bad Trump is (I knew he was bad; that was why I also vowed I would never vote for Trump, not even to block Hillary), but the point remains that my severe reluctance to vote for Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with her personality.

So I would like to see the data you have that shows that the deciding factor for most people is not personalities, but sex.

I'm sure you do, but many of your fellow Democrats disagree

Don't hold your breath waiting for that data.

And the #NeverBiden movement has started...

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/13/democrats-confront-a-never-biden-contingent-127438

Game theoretically it's the right thing to threaten. But it had better work this time. Consider that Sanders almost certainly won't run in 2024 if he doesn't win this time, and if Biden is successful, the DNC may change the rules to prevent independents from running, perhaps even voting, in their primaries at all if they actually carry out the threat. That's what a strong party would do in response. The Democrats are a particularly weak party though, even more than the Republicans.

Biden did a 5 minute virtual town hall for Illinois. It was certainly something.

https://www.facebook.com/joebiden/videos/202356457661426/

Are they? It appears Dems have stopped an outsider from taking over/wrecking the party while Republicans utterly failed. That failure could see them relegated to regional party (outside the Senate) in a couple cycles.

The Dems haven't stopped an outsider. They're shooting themselves in both feet in order to prop up a man who will lose against Donald Trump. If Biden gets the nomination, Donald Trump will eat his lunch. That's not a desire for Trump to win, it's disappointment in the DNC fucking people over to put their guy on top, a man who is woefully unready for this office.

Are they fucking over people or are the people who are voting simply showing that Bernie is not popular enough to win the Democratic nomination? If he can't win the Democratic nomination, I don't see how anyone can argue that he could beat Trump. I'm afraid that what we're seeing from at least some of Bernie's supporters is the same kind of tribalism that's infected the Trumpistas.

They are fucking people over. It's not tribalism, it's the desperate need to not die from preventable diseases, and having a place to live without paying half your check in rent. Joe Biden isn't going to fix these things. The man can barely string a sentence together.

I stand by it. If Joe Biden gets the nomination, he will lose to Trump. Of course, people will blame Bernie Sanders, but they did that when Hillary lost the electoral vote, too, so why not be damned for doing the right thing anyway?

When people panic, they make truly stupid moves. Some people buy a hundred rolls of toilet paper. Others elect Joe Biden and hang the future of generations on his shoulders.

Edit to add:

Oh, and right now Joe Biden is about 150 delegates ahead of Bernie with thousands of delegates still left in play. Calls, by some, for Bernie to drop out are not only premature, but also disenfranchise the people who actually believe in trying to address the needs of the most vulnerable, rather than the people who hopped from moderate to moderate and said "yeah, sure, Joe Biden's fine."

Of course, it's likely the DNC will still push for Joe Biden. They've got their heads up their asses and all they can see is the short term. They're running the "Anybody but Bush" gambit which worked so well last time. The DNC doesn't stand for anything other than being in a controlling position of power, regardless of message, and Joe Biden is proof of that. Their allowance of Michael Bloomberg buying himself onto the debate stage was proof of that.

If it wasn't for the people in desperate need of help, I'd say let them collapse under their own incompetence, and naked greed, but too many people need help, and Donald Trump needs out of office. As I said, this will be my last vote as a Democrat, because that party not only doesn't represent me, it doesn't represent anyone that isn't willing to bend their knee to corporate donors.

If I wasn't genuinely afraid that a 2nd Trump term would be the effective end of our republic, I would probably feel differently. Bernie is a risk I don't think I can afford to take.

The thing is, many people are putting a lot of faith in Joe Biden, faith that is not warranted. This narrative that he's electable is a self-fulfilling prophecy in the sense that people keep being told he's electable, and so they believe it, and accept the DNC's extolling of his virtues (and to cover his truly awful legislative policies that go against how he's being sold now). He is ill-equipped to handle Donald Trump.

Trump is ill-equipped to take on anyone now that his mask has totally been torn off. He is now being laughed at and Bill Mahre no longer has to say of his supporters "we can't call them stupid."

If I wasn't genuinely afraid that a 2nd Trump term would be the effective end of our republic - mike

hyperbole much? I thought the GOP were the "party of fear" - what's up with that?

Yeah, we should really be afraid of caravans of brown people on foot from shithole countries in Central America not about having a narcissistic, stupid, wannabe tinhorn, Putin admiring, Kim sucking, responsibility ducking idiot in the White House!

Because here toward the end of Trump's first term, the Republic is teetering on destruction.