Star Trek Discovery. [SPOILERS WITHIN]

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  1. Nyx

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    I went into detail over on TBBS, but essentially, the anomaly is a galactic threat because even though it's "only" 5 light years (125 times wider than the ultramassive black hole TON618, I might add), it moves at faster than light speeds. It's so large it doesn't damage star systems, it obliterates entire solar systems. Our solar system is 80 AU across. TON 618, the largest black hole we know of in the universe, is 2,606 AU across. The anomaly is 325,750 AU across. If one edge was touching our Sun, the other edge would be almost close enough to touch Barnard's Star, and consume Proxima Centauri A, B, and C in the process.

    Earth and 40 Eridani (Vulcan) are 16 light years away from each other. That's 3 anomalies wide, and it moves at FTL speeds.

    They made it too big.
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    Well, like they mentioned, the process wasn't perfect and failed often. And the only two times (seemingly about to be three) we've seen consciousnesses downloaded into androids, the original body carrying that consciousness was dying or already dead. It could be the sort of transfer that leaves no trace of the original consciousness in the original body. I imagine it'd have to be that way to avoid the "you're not really X, you're just a simulation" issues that might crop up otherwise.

    Related: Vedek Bareil had his entire organic brain replaced with a positronic brain one half at a time, and he hated it so much that he asked to be allowed to just die instead.

    Less related: You might be interested in the current run of X-Men comics, they've recently cracked the secret recipe for recreating any mutant that dies from a telepathic backup, making mutants functionally immortal.
    Maybe the range isn't that great, relatively speaking? It's rare they'd need to send a shuttle out somewhere so dangerous that's also such a short distance away.
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    The webcomic Schlock Mercenary is also a fantastic exploration of the concept of immortality via memory backups and nanites, plus the ability to create mental clones.

    Even in that world, there can still be a sense of loss when a person dies.

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    Oh yeah, in Year Of Hell Tuvok got blinded and never had a VISOR installed, despite how important it would be for Voyagers tactical officer and security chief to have his vision. (Considering Tim Russ auditioned for the role of Geordi it would have been a solid in-joke.)
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    IIRC, Gray's "inception" has to be done by a Trill official (I forget the title, a job Gray apparently aspires to)

    On another note, I always was in the crowd that suggested that the next logical leap of transporter tech was to be able to reconstitute someone who died from their transporter pattern.
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    They held complete patterns in the computer in "Our Man Bashir".
    It gobbled up the whole station, of course.
    But, that shows the only stumbling block has been improving hard-drives.
    800 years in the future, they should have it licked.
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    Yeah, a Guardian. A Guardian performed Jadzia's zhian'tara, which temporarily transferred the consciousness of Dax's previous hosts into the bodies of her friends.
    We saw on TNG and VOY that transporters are capable of holding the pattern of a living person indefinitely, but other than one line in Datalore where Lore suggests the Enterprise replicate a living tree, we've never seen replicators create living things. Judging by Voyager having to settle for growing leola root in the hydroponics bay and that one episode from Discovery's third season, it appears replicators can't produce viable seeds either. I assume it's got to be a technical limitation and not an ethical one, since I doubt those concerns would carry over into restricting seed replication.

    Without outright saying it, in the Trek universe it appears that all living things have souls that can't be replicated, but can be duplicated in certain cases like Riker, Boimler, or the entire Voyager crew, and moved around to other bodies like with Trill hosts and Picard*.

    *The official line has to be that Picard's soul was transferred into that synth body, otherwise Q is just being an asshole bothering some poor blameless synth that happened to get programmed with the brain imprint of some dead guy that Q liked to harass.
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    Gods, this season is so boring so far, I can't even finish the episodes.
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    That actress has always had a bit of a weight problem, going back at least as far as a supporting role she played on Longmire.

    Sometime between S1 and S2 of Discovery she got that mole/growth thing on her forehead removed.
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    Not...really.
    In the case of "Relics" it was only 50% effective, the guy who wasn't Scotty died.
    In the case of the telepaths hiding in the cargo bay buffers in "Counterpoint" the patterns started to degrade, and they were getting sick.
    Holodoc could treat them with magic hyposprays, but it wasn't a good idea to keep pushing.
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    What was Data’s grandpa’s name? Didn’t he transfer his coonscious into the computer or something?
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    Agreed, it was far from 100% safe and effective the couples times they had to do it in an emergency. I wonder why replicators can store the pattern of a dead cooked turkey so easily, while a live one would degrade quickly? Do replicated tricorders come with charged batteries, or do they have to be slotted in afterwards? :chris:
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    Ira Graves! He transferred himself into Data, then into the Enterprise computer.

    There was a post-Nemesis TNG novel where Dr. Soong faked his death in Brothers and transferred himself into an android body. He was very concerned about making sure the upload was a proper transfer of his consciousness and not just saving a backup copy of himself to the android while the "real" Soong died.
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    Then just say that and move on.
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    Living patterns don't just contain a Lego blueprint, but every little bit of motion in the molecules that get the cells twitching.
    Replicator patterns use just a Lego pattern, plus a kind of super-duper MPEG compression besides.
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    That's pug fugly. :(

    Isn't there some kind of visible energy connection between the ship and the nacelles? Couldn't they just use coloured clear plastic to show that?
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    I guess, but... seeds? Or maybe the pattern of a living thing already in suspended animation? :chris:
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    I don't remember, but has there been an in-show explanation for why the nacelles are that way in the future? Seems like a really dumb idea.
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    The compression fucks it up.
    And without the compression, a plate of cookies would eat up the whole computer core.
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    I forget if it was in-show or somewhere else, but the answer I remember from somewhere is "increased maneuverability." I think it's supposed to be a natural evolution of how the original Voyagers nacelles changed position whenever the ship went to warp.

    In Threshold their biggest problem with getting the warp 10 shuttle to not break apart was that the nacelles started going faster than the rest of it. :chris:
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    Discovery’s just not a good looking ship. Period.
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    So Eddington wasn't just being a pretentious dick when he said real produce tasted better than replicated? :chris:
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    Don't do that. You think the Enterprise looks good because that's what you saw when you were a kid. There are kids alive today today that will one day complain that newer ships are ugly because they don't look like Discovery.

    Bayverse transformers designs annoy and disgust me, but there are people out there that were introduced to the franchise by those movies and are similarly annoyed and disgusted by G1 designs.

    Live and Let live. :shrug:
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    I hated the D, but I grew like it, I hated the E, but I grew to like it, I hated the Cerritos, but I’ve grown to like it, I don’t think I’ll ever grow to like Discovery.
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    My first car was a rusted out Toyota Corona with no gas gauge.
    That little shitbox was my Millennium Falcon.
    I don't hate any ship.
    They're the house of our characters.
    Love them, love the ship.
    Your hate of Discovery is political.
    Don't try to mask it as anything else.
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