"The 1980's are calling to ask for their foreign policy back."

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Steal Your Face, Jan 8, 2022.

  1. MikeH92467

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    He'll go the Joe Rogan route? :corn:
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    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    Subtle.

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    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    Some folks on Facebook check in with those flight tracking sites now and then, and there's been a BUFF (among other things!) circling around Poland for a while now.
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    Japan feeling froggy…

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    It's pretty incredible that 6 weeks ago the Russian Army was one of the most feared things on this planet and now they're just meme fodder

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  14. Tuckerfan

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    I hope someone on the plane is jamming out to this classic.

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    Chernobyl employee: Yes, general, it is perfectly safe to dig your latrines there. No, those signs warning about radiation aren't serious. The Soviet government hauled away all the radioactive soil thirty years ago and just forgot to take the signs. You know how it is.

    The Chernobyl folks say that the Russians showed up with no NBC gear and began riding around in places like the Red Forest, which has some of the highest contamination levels outside of the sarcophagus. A nuclear scientist I follow on Twitter is suspicious because the half-life of the highest radioactive stuff that wasn't removed from the area is short enough that it would have dropped to lower levels making it unlikely that soldiers would get sick in the amount of time they've been there.

    However, what I think that the scientist is failing to consider is that if I worked in a nuclear facility where an invading army showed up without any protective gear, and I had access to both protective gear and highly radioactive material, then I'm going to make sure that as many of the folks from the invading army got a lethal dose of radiation as possible. I seriously doubt that the Ukrainians who were working at Chernobyl when the Russians showed up were more compassionate in their thoughts than I would be. Especially when the Russians kept them there, working around the clock for weeks. In far less horrific circumstances I've been tempted to give someone a "hot biscuit" (if you know what I mean), so you put me in a situation where I'm dealing with folks who're not only making my life a nightmare but have probably killed friends and family members of mine, the odds of me not giving you a "hot biscuit" are precisely zero.
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    I don't think so. No nuclear worker is going to expose someone. Even in war.
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  17. Tuckerfan

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    So, I'm guessing that if you were on Flight 93 on 9/11 you'd have told folks to just cooperate with the hijackers, and maybe things would be okay. Instead of just figuring that you were probably already dead and that if you acted against the hijackers you might be able to prevent folks on the ground from being killed.
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    That's a heck of a leap.
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    Not nearly as much as his. War turns ordinary people into monsters. To think that nuke plant employees would somehow be immune to this goes against the weight of human history.
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    these guys are tasked with maintaining the safety of the worst nuclear incident in history.

    Your comparison is stupid. No one at Chernobyl was going to die. The soviets haven't hijacked it (in fact they've returned control to Ukraine). I'm glad you're not responsible for people's lives.

    I also doubt anyone got radiation sickness. The levels just wouldn't support that. Maybe if you were exposed for a decade, you might have a higher risk for cancer. They probably ate bad borscht.
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    Nobody at Chernobyl knew what was going to happen. All they knew was that Russian soldiers were invading their country.

    The workers weren’t allowed to leave the plant until fairly recently. The one time they were allowed to call their families outside the plant they described being forced to work grueling shifts with little rest. If you think that doesn’t incline someone to commit murder, you’ve never had to work under such conditions.

    Unlike shooting someone, poisoning them with radiation is a lot less obvious and harder to prove anyone was responsible. In a country where ordinary citizens are taking up arms to protect themselves from an invading army, if you think that people wouldn’t at least consider poisoning occupying forces, you’re woefully naïve.
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    [buster_scruggs]"Well, that ain't good."[/buster_scruggs]
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    Horseshit. If you haven't considered Russian propaganda implying Ukraine is criminally incapable of managing Chernobyl, you're woefully naive.
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    According to my sources (i.e. Stuff I Read on the Internet), the Russians had started entrenching themselves in an area known as the Red Forest, which contains high amounts of radioactive contamination. The Ukrainian scientists warned them what they were doing was "suicidal," but the Russians laughed it off.
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    Yeah, let's see, the Ukrainians have been handling Chernobyl since the 90s without accounts of large numbers of people turning up dead from radiation. Do you think that they were covering up a whole bunch of people dying? Or that they suddenly got a case of the stupids after the Russians showed up?

    Let me remind you of what the Ukrainian government said
    Are you going to claim that this is Russian propaganda?

    Jesus titty fucking Christ pogo-sticking on a cracker. We know that Russian forces were ill-equipped and ill-informed about what they were being sent to do. We cannot say that Russian forces got deadly doses, because there's been no independent confirmation of this. We can say, however, that this is a claim being made by Ukrainian officials.
    Are you going to say that those folks are Russian plants? Really? GTFOH.

    I dunno if the Russian soldiers actually got dangerous levels of exposure from digging trenches in the Red Forest, but I goddamned well know what I would do if I had access to deadly materials and was being held at gunpoint by an invading army. I'd make sure that as many of those motherfuckers got a lethal dose as I possibly could. Would that make me an asshole and a war criminal? Possibly, but I wouldn't give a shit, since no matter what happened to me, I'd have taken out far more of the enemy.
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