Roe v. Wade

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  1. Fisherman's Worf

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    Because he hates women.
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  2. Uncle Albert

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    :wtf:

    Not sure what I'm being asked there, so I'll just take a wild swipe. I am opposed to paternity fraud, and encourage women to have all the damn abortions they want.
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  4. Jenee

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    You seem to be saying men should have all the power where women are concerned. I know you don't really think that way, but that is how it is coming across.

    Life isn't fair. We've discussed this before. Fair worker wages. Fairness among traffic stops. Fairness .. about almost everything. Your argument is always "life's not fair. suck it up and quit crying." I'm just turning the tables here.

    You are either for fairness for all

    or

    You suck it up when you are on the short end of the unfairness.
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  5. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    Let me guess, I'm using the wrong "worship words" and didn't make an airtight case against the lawyerballing.

    If someone wants to distort my meaning into a strawman, that's THEIR defect.

    "Fairness" is too often a loaded term people use to sell "equality of outcome " as anything remotely legitimate. I am consistently opposed to society, the government or any group imposing its will on the individual's ability to act in ways that harm nobody else. I'll leave everyone else to quibble over whether that results in outcomes that satisfy their personal definition of "fairness. "
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    I think you know me better than that. I'm not talking about "worship words" or any other crap. I'm talking about your statement.

    Fairness is not a loaded term. Things are either fair or they are not.
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  7. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    If I "come off" as anything but someone who doesn't want to be told what the fuck to do, that's the reader's choice to interpret me that way, and that's their problem. I don't need anyone to cosign any position of mine.
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  8. Jenee

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    Deciding what's "fair" based on individual situations leads to unfairness.
    It all goes back to "stand for something or you'll fall for anything".
    If you agree that fairness is something to be achieved for one individual situation, but not all, that is falling for that one situation.

    One has to think of broader pictures when making judgements. One can't say "this situation needs to be fair, but that one doesn't" because then it's about who has the most influence on the decider of what should be and should not be fair.
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    Collective goals tend to sacrifice the individual, and I won't agree to that. Not even if you try to sell it as "the fairest outcome for the greatest number of people." Not even if the alternative is the total collapse of civilization.
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  10. Jenee

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    Then yes, too fucking bad some asshole has to pay child support. He should have made a better decision about with whom he chose to have sex.
  11. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    How about everyone be unequivocally accountable for their choices, no matter how sympathetic of an image they project?
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    I think you are well aware life doesn't work that way. It would be all well and good if it did. Unfortunately, there are people who, by virtue of birth, have advantages over others and are never held accountable. So, no. Others must step in on occasion and force others to be held accountable especially when the other side does not have the resources to fight back themselves.
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  13. Uncle Albert

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    I will not be excusing anyone from the consequences of their choices.
  14. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    You hate yourself.
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    and neither do I.
  16. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    Can you show me any case where a paternity test has established that a person is in fact not the father of a child, but a court ordered him to continue to pay child support anyway because he had been supporting the child before getting the results of said test?
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  17. Uncle Albert

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    I know this is all just for the satisfaction of watching me jump through hoops. :brood:

    https://nypost.com/2017/07/23/man-ordered-to-pay-65k-in-child-support-for-kid-who-isnt-his/

    https://www.firstcoastnews.com/arti...ather/77-f0f77af5-409c-40e4-8c6e-3336123e1f85

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-man-ordered-to-pay-65g-in-child-support-for-kid-who-isnt-his
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  18. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    No, it's because I had not heard of such a thing.

    Technically, these are not examples of what I asked for (courts forcing a person to continue paying child support after nonpaternity is established) but rather examples of courts saying that the person owes back child support for the time during which there was a presumption of paternity until nonpaternity was established. Which is still messed up, but it falls on the purported father to challenge paternity up front if they think that there's a chance that they are not the father. And of course, neither of these cases seem to be the final say on their respective cases.
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  19. Uncle Albert

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    It was just the first few links I grabbed . Sometimes I even see people defending it as righteous and just, or that undermining it is oppression. It is so rampant, I think paternity tests should be automatic at birth.
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  21. Diacanu

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    "Pro-life" :rolleyes:
    Carlin had their number 30+ years ago.
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    I know of at least one case where a court in Florida has supported a father who has done nothing to help a woman who is raising his child despite his flaunting of alimony orders and not visiting the child in years and his admission that he has guns in the household and telling the judge that he will not lock them up. So...what's your point? :chris:
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  24. We Are Borg

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    The how about you leave Ohio, fucko? :wtf:
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    It's worse than that: Those kinds of pregnancies can go south at anytime. If the mother starts to miscarry, an abortion might have to be performed in order to save her life. Should be an easy decision if the state allows a woman to have an abortion if her life is in danger, right? Apparently not. A woman who had an ectopic pregnancy went to the ER because she was dying from it, and the doctor spent nine hours on the phone with lawyers to make sure it was legal to do the procedure. The woman survived, but just barely.



    It reminds me of this case from Ireland about a decade ago. We even had a thread about it.
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  26. Bailey

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    That Irish case also contributed heavily to changing abortion laws in Ireland.
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  27. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Why should people treat your arguments as being reasoned or in good faith when you don't even read the articles you post in support of them?
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    I know. 40 years ago my stepmom nearly died because she had a pregnancy like that.
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  29. Mrs. Albert

    Mrs. Albert demented estrogen monster

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    Awesome. So now an anencephalic fetus is going to have to be carried to term in Ohio? Women are just going to have to walk around enduring months of trauma with people asking about her pregnancy, congratulating her, etc for months until she gets cut open (no pressure on the cervix for a natural birth when there’s no fucking brain), then watch her nonviable shell of a human baby die, then pay an astronomical hospital bill…..
    That’s just unbelievably cruel. :(
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  30. Spaceturkey

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    noting that a) you've managed to find a single incident from five years ago
    b) fox news is the least biased, sensationalist version listed
    and c) it mentions that he had previously made payments and not contested them, meeting the legal standard for having assumed the obligation.

    yeah, it's fucked bureaucracy shit... but I'd think you of all people would hold him accountable for not taking appropriate action at the time rather than waiting several years to take a test or contest the payments.

    oh, and d) what does this have to do with women's bodily autonomy?
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