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Discussion in 'Media Central' started by 14thDoctor, Jul 24, 2021.

  1. ed629

    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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    Nope.

    The saucer section has diameter of 127.1 meters, or 217 feet. That gives an area of 137,000 square feet. It would take eight decks to equal just over a million square feet.


    The ship has ten decks in the saucer section. Only one deck is a full deck at that diameter. Another deck is full width but it's missing a section that isn't full height. Roughly half of it is taken up by the concave indention. With two other decks about half that width. So another 68,000 square feet, total around 102,000 square feet. Then four decks that are about 30-40% percent of the full diameter. Call it 35%, gives four decks with a total of about 18,000 square feet per deck, or 72,000 square feet. Two more decks that are 25% and less, 8,500 square feet each, so 17,000. Add those up and you get around 328,000 square feet. No where near several million.

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  2. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    fair enough (I was using dimensions from the first modelling site that popped up that put it at about 300m D),
    still, working on the notion that the front half of decks 4-6 are crew quarters (and excluding that there's also living quarters/cargo holds on deck 9 and in the secondary hull), that's 85 000 sq ft to house 400ish people at 212 sq ft/each (minus halls and walls, so let's shave it to 80 000). A couple of the cut aways suggested that the entirety of deck 6 is essentially a cubicle farm of individual and double occupancies

    Individually, that's about the size of my "studio" apartment for each crew member...

    anyways, here's the layout for the A which'd appear to fit within the 125m/400ft D with over 300 bunks on F deck. Went with this because it's the most detailed and the uses don't really change from TOS to the movie era. (although it beggars the question of why the eight 2 room suites are on deck 4/D while the captain would be down in second class?)

    what is worth noting is that Kirk's quarters are consistently on deck 5/E but that there's a VIP suite on deck 2/B during the TOS configuration. Wondering if Pike used that as his quarters/entertaining pad?

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  3. We Are Borg

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    Nope.
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  4. We Are Borg

    We Are Borg Republican Democrat

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    Watch the docuseries The Center Seat: 55 Years of Star Trek.

    Even before Enterprise, Paramount was already concerned about the state of the franchise. They actually didn't like ENT from the start, but knew they were sitting on a goldmine with Star Trek and were trying to figure out how to reinvigorate the franchise. ENT being cancelled had nothing to do with this fact, or with JJ Abrams coming along. You had an hot up-and-coming director willing to take the helm of a tent-pole motion picture. Of course Paramount was in.

    The better argument would be that if 2009's Star Trek had flopped, the franchise would likely still be in limbo.
  5. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    Was it Interplay or Activision that sued their ass for tanking the franchise after an expensive license for games
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  7. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    And Starfleet Command III. :nana:
  9. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    I had 1 and 2...

    There was also a DS9 game around 2005 that played similarly, but tried look a little more trekkish with it's interface. It was buggy as shit though, boarding parties were a big deal of playing as I recall.
    actually, I still have 1 on Steam but can't be othered/seem to figure out the fix for win 10 on this computer.

    edit: found it!

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  10. Steal Your Face

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    Watching pretty much all of TOS over the holidays, I’ve come to the opinion that (A) The Shat isn’t a bad actor, given the right direction and dialogue and (B) it reinforces my belief that Kirk is not a womanizer, (C) TOS is sexist in some ways, due to The Great Bird, but not as bad as people make it out to be. Lastly, D.C. Fontana among other writers that cared about continuity, worked really hard to make Trek a good vision of the future despite Roddenberry’s instincts. I don’t think Roddenberry should be dismissed out right though.
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    NAHTMMM Perpetually sondering

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    I usually don't have any problem with Shatner's acting, but I do think he blows the "risk is our business" speech. (Not sure if I've mentioned that before.)
  12. We Are Borg

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    Here's the full (unedited) speech:

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    NAHTMMM Perpetually sondering

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    Well, that's not so bad. I still think he's on the edge in the last half, but maybe I was watching a version cut down for syndication. Or maybe it was another speech but I don't think so.
  14. tafkats

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    Just noticed this:

    In TNG's "The Enemy," at 31:20 when the Romulan in Sickbay says "I would rather die than pollute my body with Klingon filth," the score makes a roughly two-bar reference to Jerry Goldsmith's Klingon theme from TMP.
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  15. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    I thought it was Worf who refused to save the Romulan?
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    It was mutual.

    Also, on rewatching that episode, it's clear to me that Worf tried to give Picard an out: he was actually OK with his blood being used to save the Romulan, and he didn't give any indication that he would fight an order or hold it against Picard in any way; he just wasn't willing to volunteer for it.

    For refusing to give the order, Picard is actually more culpable in the Romulan's death than Worf is.
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  17. tafkats

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    "Yesterday's Enterprise" is one of Trek's all-time best episodes, but it is a little silly to imagine that being at war would cause Starfleet to not only change "Captain's Log" to "Military Log," but also rename their entire dating system.
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  18. tafkats

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    What do you suppose the Romulans who captured Tasha Yar made of her wearing a type of Starfleet uniform they'd never seen before?

    Hopefully communicator tech didn't change quickly enough that getting to study a combadge from 22 years in the future didn't give them too big a leg up on Federation technology ...
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  19. Steal Your Face

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    I would assume they tortured her extensively.
  20. Diacanu

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    I mean, look at all the evil admirals we saw in the GOOD timeline, and then look how insane Republicans have gone in our world since 9/11.
    All it would take is a couple bad-mirals in the bad timeline to Dayton-ize Starfleet.
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  21. shootER

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    I just noticed that after the timeline reverts to normal at the end of "Yesterday's Enterprise" Picard orders, "Lay in a course to Archer IV." :lol:
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  22. Diacanu

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    Yep, they ret-conned in "In A Mirror Darkly" that planets were named after Archer to get that to line up.
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  23. 14thDoctor

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    The novels suggested that Shinzon came to exist because Yar told them Picard would be captain of the Enterprise D in a couple decades, and also that Shinzon was dumped on Remus after Picard lost the Stargazer and the Romulans concluded he'd never receive another command after that. :async:
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    I never realized, until recently, how many of the workstations on the Enterprise D had standard 20th-century office swivel chairs at them.

    Like this one:

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    When the ship was under fire and people were getting thrown out of their seats on the bridge, these things must've been rolling all over the damn place.
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  28. We Are Borg

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    For those folks who nitpick the shit out of contemporary Trek, here's a deconstruction of some pretty stupid plot holes in Wrath of Khan:

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  29. Spaceturkey

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    Redo Tuvix now that Cronenberg is involved with the franchise?
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    I don't know what random neurons bumping into one another made me realize this tonight, but there's a really fucking huge nod to something in TWoK that I only just picked up on. If I had the right skills, I'd do the necessary manipulations so you could pick up on it and maybe catch some things that I didn't.

    In TWoK, around the time the ships enter the nebula, you'll hear some short, high-pitched notes. They've got a distinct sequence, sort of like Morse Code, or something. Now, there's another piece of music that sounds an awful lot like this. And it is one of those pieces that is basically obligatory to play in certain circumstances. Doesn't matter if George Lucas has showed up to talk about global warming, when he walks out, the theme from Star Wars is going to be playing. It's what you hear in the background when you see him.

    That other piece of music? Uh, wow. It's tied to America's greatest heroes. I mean, even the problematic ones have folks saying, "He saved our ass and it doesn't matter what he might think of this, if it weren't for him we might not be here to talk about it." It's the music played (originally) in the movie Patton where he has them drive to an ancient battlefield and then recites a poem. Almost every time there's a thing about veterans, they play that music in the background.
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