Defund the Police

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  1. Demiurge

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    Prior to it being found unconstitutional it was overturned on appeal, as a new trial had been ordered and that judge rendered a directed judgment indicating that he could find no violation of the law was committed even if everything the prosecutors said was true. The 15 priests had been held for months by that point.

    Strawman. I don't have to claim they were 'lapdogs of the police' to believe that they created a new system out of whole cloth. And again, that was just the first step, multiple later rulings helped enshrine the precedent they created and formed it as we see it today.

    Considering we have a police force that kills at a higher rate than any other in the first world, our justice system imprisons at a higher rate than any in the world period, and when the police act unjustly it's the civic entities that are responsible not police, you can see why many feel this ruling which is not directly supported by any law on the books has vastly overreached from it's intent.
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  4. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    The original tweet I was responding to implies that qualified immunity originated as a reaction to the popularity of the Civil Rights Movement. If we are to take Pierson as the start of qualified immunity, it was done by the Warren Court, and it is pertinent and not at all a straw man to point out that the Warren Court did not rule the way it did because it was interested in giving cops a pass generally.

    The notion that law has to be statute/constitution based is mistaken. Much of the law that we take for granted now, including decisions by the Warren Court as to the existence of a Miranda right and the right to counsel in criminal cases, were not originally supported by any laws on the books.
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    Quiet. The grownups are talking.
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  6. Demiurge

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    You mean the Miranda right that's been stripped of its meaning? Or Roe v Wade? If it's not based on written law, preferably constitutional law, it's vulnerable to being reversed.

    And in Pierson there was a specific law on the books since 1871 that stated that police could be held liable. It was known as the KKK clause.

    'Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress.'

    There was no carve out their for either judges or law enforcement - indeed, as many Klan members were in positions of power utilizing that power to harm people it would be largely meaningless without them.

    Regardless of the Warren courts intent, they are one of the foremost reasons why policing has gotten out of control in the US.

    But thanks to RBG and corrupt actors in the FBI, the Court is now so stacked that will be the case for the rest of our lifetimes unless something drastic happens.
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    Aurora Police re-hires cop who threatened Elijah McClain with ‘dog bite’ during fatal stop

    Also Aurora:


    On Jan. 11, news broke that Nate Meier, the APD officer who was found passed out drunk behind the wheel of his police car and avoided criminal consequences in 2019, had been promoted to the rank of agent.

    Also in the past two weeks, off-duty APD officer Douglas Harroun was arrested outside his home by Arapahoe County Sheriff’s Office deputies for reportedly punching a disabled woman in the head during a dispute.
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    I don't think it is fair to hold the Warren Court responsible for what other courts did to/with their decisions. I don't think it's fair to say that because the Warren Court held that a police officer could not be held liable under Section 1983 for upholding a statute that was later found unconstitutional that they opened the floodgates for modern police qualified immunity. I also don't think it's reasonable to argue that they intended to give cops a pass for brutality, given their track record on policing.

    But if you do, that's cool, and we'll agree to disagree.
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    My guess is that Hemphill will make a case that he didn't deserve to be fired based on what he actually did, and that he will argue convincingly enough to either an arbitrator, judge or jury that he was the victim of politics and/or racial discrimination that he will get reinstated.
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