Star Trek: Strange New Worlds [SPOILERS]

I think the Vulcan prosecutor pretty much implicitly whined that he was annoyed that Betel didn't get information out of Una or Pike that could be used against Pike.

Assuming Vulcan prosecutor knew Betel and Pike are doing the deed, it would be more logical for him to assume that there was at least a danger that her emotions would get in the way of her prosecutorial zeal.
As we saw, Betel actually stopped Pike from getting into a trap where he would have to admit that he'd known Una was genetically modified but didn't say anything. IIRC, the glowy things thaqt they kept their hands over are lie detectors so that Pike couldn't attempt to perjure himself and get away with it.

Oooh, I bet he asked Spock to betray Pike and that's why Spock had such an extreme outburst.

Presumably that's why he was sitting next to her, waiting for the right moment to step in.

Yeah, she was probably smarter than he expected her to be. Or would her providing him advice like that be grounds for a mistrial, or her own punishment?

It ain't just ENT Vulcans.

Like Spock said - logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end.

Like a certain Time Lord said - logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority.

Yay, more budget-saving time travel to the past for some completely inconsequential, throwaway events that will never be mentioned again.

watched the teaser... definitely Toronto

thing is that the bridge they show looks a lot like the one that crosses Humber Bay, but the shot is from the other side of the city, looking to be from the portlands..

cool that they use CP24's news ticker on the billboard though.

Because movie-Kirk mentioned the tribbles, and Apollo, and the robot White Rabbit all the fucking time.

hmm... a bit more sleuthing and it appears they used the Gordie Howe Int'l bridge... that's a lot further west than Humber Bay

Just like your every post visits the 1950s.

well, that and it's establishing Pellia's past...

Not an unreasonable tie in to Picard meeting 2024 Guinan.

You mean they played fast and loose with geography? No way! That's never happened in television or film. Ever.

I'm boycotting this show!

More that I'm impressed by how much effort they went to to source the composite shots so they'd be familiar, but fantastic.

Like that they used the Ontario Place pavillions in Ghosts of Ilyria... that alone should give them some more protection from DoFo's schemes.

speaking of... they got to Vermont and back pretty quickly.

Pretty good story with enough "classic" timeline references to feel right.

Even the ease with which they find that sweet condo... half of harbour front is Air BnBs.

Rated your post "angry" because fuck AirBnB. It's a blight on society and should be outlawed.

OK. I liked this one too. I find myself enjoying the way these characters are becoming more 3 dimensional. We're coming up on DISCO's 5th year and I feel like I know more about M'Benga & La'ann than I do anybody on DISCO's bridge crew. I almost wonder what inspired the writers to create DISCO's characters other than just needing a helmsman, comms director, science officer, etc. I get the feeling that the conflict within L'ann shown in this episode was something the writers wanted to explore when they created her character. I hope to see more of this type of conflict going forward.

I'm not sure, but I think this might be the first time I've seen Toronto depicted on TV. Pretty cool looking city! I'm not too far from Montreal and I've always wanted to plan a weekend trip there.

I thought you were in Chicago? If so, you're a helluva lot closer to Toronto.

I may need to watch this one again to get a better pulse but this was just okay for me. Christina Chong put in a great performance but I'm still not feeling this new Kirk.

"And tell the Louvre to stop calling me."

I loved it, and I love that La'an really gets to stretch her legs. I'm also very pleasantly surprised by Paul Wesley, and now I think I can see why they chose him to play Jim Kirk.

The idea itself is really fascinating, too, that monstrous events happen through history, and avoiding them doesn't necessarily change humanity for the better. That's not to be any kind of apologia towards genocide or terror, quite the contrary, but it does show that humanity unfortunately tends to learn things the hard way, and is a stubborn species that despite knowing better time and time again, still presses forward on an often destructive path.

We also get a better picture of how Star Trek's timeline comes to be, and why we don't see Khan in our own present or future. I mean, I've always joked we live in the bad timeline, but sometimes it really does seem like we live in the bad timeline. :/

That said, the ending of the episode is heartbreaking, and I just wanted to hug La'an and tell her everything was going to be okay. Such a magnificent performance from Christina Chong. Just lovely all around.

Also, spotted the Strange New Worlds sign that was blurred out when Jim and La'an were passing the bus stop earlier in the episode. At least, that's what it looked like to me.

I moved o upstate NY some years ago. Chicago will always be my home though.

I think it was @Nova who wrote earlier in this thread that Star Trek has manipulated the timeline to such an extent that there's no way we could establish a "prime" timeline. I've decided this is correct in my head cannon. This is not the James T. Kirk I grew up with... Spock never had a sister, but he never mentioned his half brother either... so what am I going to do? Stop watching Star Trek? I can either accept it or deal with it.

I prefer to take the David Lee Roth approach: You've got to ro-oh-ohll with the punches and get to what's real.

I just want to mention one more thing I noticed last week in Una's court case regarding the ongoing characterization of La'Ann and M'Benga. Did anyone else notice that when they were on the stand, they straight up perjured themselves to protect Una? Both of them knew with no doubt that Una was an Illaryan. M'Benga had medical scans no doubt. They both stated they had no idea she was genetically modified. I remember predicting that M'Benga would go to great extent to remain loyal to her after she allotted resources for him to keep his sick daughter in the transporter buffer and I love how this prediction keeps being highlighted.

I'd have to go back to the episode to see what their testimony was and how it corresponded to what happened. But the way the courtroom is set up, the glowy things that they kept their hands over should have signaled if they perjured themselves.

I absolutely love the fact that they explicitly say it's Toronto.

("In what used to be Canada".)

Montreal is the most amazing place north of New Orleans. Go there.

You've definitely seen stuff filmed here (we get passed off as Chicago, more than anywhere). Toronto set though... yeah, other than deGrassi and Kim's Convenience, nothing that the AMerican market would be familiar with comes to mind.

much of that was shot around Yonge and Dundas (loved the dialogue when the materialized ).

The bridge scene was from the portlands at the east side of the harbour... funny thing is that The Expanse's studio is literally up the street from there. (I think SNW sets are in Mississauga)

The interior shots of the N-S foundation looked like the back end of the Daniels Building, which is up the street from me.




Other than the sights, I don't know what would sell you on a visit to TO? Our sports ball teams tend to be decent, and we're pretty close/accessible to anything else you'd want to see.


Carnival is always a good time...


As to the episode... I'm really liking nuKirk (while getting a chuckle that both appearances so far are alternate reality).

La'an was also pretty good this turn.

Liked how the Romulan chick said taht thing about "this was supposed to have happened in 1992". Kind of dealt with the overlap between TOS and reality by introducing a new variant.

yeah, I caught that SNW ad too

interesting how close the events here and of PIC S2 are chronologically. Nothing suggested it wasn't 2022...

The Romulan spy said she had been trying to get to Khan for 30 years, since 1992. So it seems like it was 2022.

Okay, call me what you want at this point but...

Simply F'n BRILLIANT!
THIS is SF and Star Trek storytelling done right. Pulls in both "Relativity" reference from Voyager as well as deftly tying up a long standing continuity problem organically without looking like that's the only reason for the episode while telling a damn fine story with emotional weight. Yes, there are a few contrivances (Kirk can drive like a stunt man, you can walk over Toronto and stumble over the secret site) but these are found in the best of stories. They didn't end up creating fresh plot holes, it was a good central plot line, excellent characterization, I could buy Wesley as Kirk better this time, and ...

Superb.

Missed opportunity, Kirk and La'an have sex and La'an screams out Kiiiiiiiiiirk! as she orgasms. Anyway, I thought this was a decent episode, it answers the age old question of if you could go back in time and kill Hitler (in this case as a boy) would you? Obviously we don't know what real time travel would be like, but I'm satisfied with the outcome here. The Romulan spy even mentioned the Temperal Cold War. The only thing that kind of bothers me is this was a perfect opportunity to say that SNW and DSC exist in an alternate timeline, but I guess they can't because of the Lower Decks crossover. I like how little Khan points to a picture of his school mates which looks like a private school. I wonder if its the Khan Academy? I didn't count, but I'm guessing those are the other future dictators.