I don't care what they were. I never met them. The last person I knew that met them died last February.
@Anna Communism was founded on the principle that the "people's enemies" need to be killed otherwise the glorious utopia can not be brought about . Who is considered an enemy of the people? Why anyone who disagrees with the dictator, of course, as well as anyone the dictator is displeased with. So don't tell me murder and genocide are not part and parcel of the package. History says you are wrong. You don't end up with a body count of 90 million unless there are major problems in the ideological system.
So the "defense" of Communism in this thread (and others) seems to be "Yeah they killed even more than the Nazis but it wasn't as bad because they (Communists) didn't really mean it".
http://www.stephenhicks.org/2013/02/18/marxs-philosophy-and-the-necessity-of-violent-politics/ Seriously, educate yourself, you ignorant twat. Anyone who claims communist founding ideology isn't steeped in violence and doesn't call for killing huge amounts of people (basically anyone who disagrees) doesn't know what they are talking about.
No, it isn't, and that is an extremely important point in many discussions. However, it does make one hell of a difference if you meet an armed Communist who, however wrongly, believes that Communism does not demand he kill you, or an armed Nazi, whose ideology is explicitly about killing you. This is because the latter will try to kill you.
No that's just wrong. Nazism was not founded with the goal of ridding others by genocide. That came far later. Communism also was not founded on the goal of ridding others by genocide. But both systems in both countries in the end killed millions of their own people and millions of other people. There is no difference between the two. Dictatorships with the blood of millions on their hands.
...even coming up as a topic in a thread about American Nazis killing other Americans is really all you need to know about the attitude of the rightwingers defending the Nazis in this thread.
What moment in history are you thinking of when you make that claim? When was there a National Socialism that did was not focused on exterminating, as they said, whom they believed to be infections of the body of their nation?
If anyone is interested, Communism was founded on the principle that economic relationships between human beings change in the course of history.
If you support communism you're as evil as Stalin. You might not have killed anyone yet but given the chance if you or any other communist gains power the blood will flow again. If you follow Karl Marx you must kill in order to establish communism.
The Nazi's were primarily concerned with taking over the country and removing communists from gaining power. They blamed the Jews for everything of course but it wasn't until the half way point in Nazi history that they started rounding up Jews and it wasn't until 1941 that they start mass murdering them.
The goal to kill the Jews -- as in: all of them -- was there explicitly in 1922. The main argument against Communism was that it was considered a Jewish plot, not vice versa.
Millions of people were killed in his name. Karl Marx himself was a vile racist evil little shit. You support communism? You're a supporter of evil.
Yeah, I looked around on Google for Marx or somebody saying "our founding principle is killing the people's enemies", or something similar, and came up empty. That's why wherever Zombie heard this would be a neat thing to know.
Yeah, he shares that distinction with Jesus. And I don't support Communism, so you can cut that part right out. Your claim was that Marx thought people had to be killed, to the extent that this makes him a direct threat. I'm asking you whom Marx killed.
Must not be too big on Jesus then. I mean, if someone saying your name when they kill sends guilt backward in time....
Of course you support communism. You're just afraid to admit it. You're so damn hot to defend it no matter how evil it is. Who did Hitler kill? He killed millions. Not by his own hand. By using others who followed his ideas on how things should be. Who did Marx kill? He killed millions. Not by his own hand. By using others who followed his ideas on how things should be.
Show me where Jesus advocated killing people in order to establish his religion. Both Hitler and Marx believed that you needed to kill people in order to establish their Utopian version of humanity. Jesus didn't. The fact that people kill in his name doesn't mean he was advocating death.
This is 100% plain false. At this point, the rest of this conversation can go two ways: You either drop the attempt to redefine what I think, or I will start claiming that you love Hitler. Hitler gave the order to exterminate millions, and to go into wars that killed several more millions. Can you name 1 person that Marx had killed in his lifetime?
I have never claimed you are a Nazi. I claim that you are defending the Nazi protesters. The accusation is that they were ready to hurt and kill others. You are defending them against that accusation.
You already claim I love Hitler by claiming I'm a Nazi for defending those sick fucks right to protest. So really what's the difference you communist shitbag? Don't need to. Marx advocated killing people in order to establish his Communist Utopia. And given that millions of people world-wide have died based on his views that's good enough.
Hey, whoa, I never said that. I never even thought it. If you really had mind reading powers, you'd see I imagined you having groupie sex with Hitler. Totally different. Groupie sex isn't love.
Those goalposts are moving real fast. And they will have to move quite a distance yet until you reach something you can actually find in history. That point will be reached when you say that Marx predicted that industrial nations would go to war with one another, and that this was inevitable, and that Communism would only happen after that. Not at all the same thing as advocating killing people.