Police Search For D.C. Shooter at Navy Yards

Doesn't even deserve a response since you guys are all about the slippery slope. Just the same, I'll give you one, by pointing out that I didn't say we should take away the freedoms of millions. So far I think only Frontline, Zombie, and maybe Albert have advocated for that measure. But the guys they would lock up, I would simply deny ownership without lifting a finger toward your guns.

Even worse, he was an Obama supporter...

...so there goes their chance to blame the tea party and/or Republicans.

You should write to the families of the victims and comfort them with that.

Who said anything about jail?

Yes I'd advocate that someone who has severe PTSD, violent outbursts with one incident with a gun, paranoid, hearing voices should be hospitalized against his will.

Such a person can not function in society no matter what some of you bleeding hearts say.

Such a person needs long term care. This man when he reached old age would end up homeless and constantly in jail. I see it all the time in the psych section of the jail. Old men with mental problems unable to take care of themselves, homeless and getting arrested. Some consistently violent.

Obviously there has to be a court process and a strong watchdog group to ensure that any abuses in the system are minimized.

You're practically sweating sour grapes, aren't you?

Have you noticed that just about every one of these mass shooters has mental stability issues that were CLEARLY visible well in advance of the tragedy? And that, often, people in authority positions were aware of them?

I'm not giving an inch on gun control until we confront that.

Navy was warned that Alexis heard voices.

The guy BY HIS OWN ADMISSION knew he needed help. What more of a background check was needed?!

That said, how is the guy still holding a clearance when he was seen being reckless with a gun on at least TWO separate occasions--one before he was separate and one while as a contractor? This is yet another Chelsea Manning situation, where the government overlooked obvious warning signs--again, I reiterate that the guy himself knew he needed help--because OH NOES, that would have involved someone doing their job and hiring someone else to replace him.

You'd be amazed.

Some things never change. You're still the same old worn out dried up lying shitbag cunt that you always were.

I can't say I am all that shocked. Chelsea Manning is the most infamous example, but I saw plenty of the "bury our head in the sand" mentality while stationed in Yokosuka. Personally, I don't understand the point of keeping someone that you can't get any work out of around, even for the sake of a filled billet. The chiefs in Engineering kept problem children around for almost the sole purpose of fucking with them, it seems...finding ways to make their lives miserable when it would have been easy enough to find something to write them up for a couple of times, kick them out and get more people who want to be there.

But then, I live in the world of logic and people tell me I'm a control freak for expecting people to do their jobs or get other people who will. But what do I know?

Wow, you might dethrone NotDayton as the best dual 'round here.

It's really me. We finally got WiFi up here. I'm surprised Black Dove didn't notice me first.

Run into Techman while you're up there?

And is Jesus Chinese, like Family Guy says?

Sadly, the private sector often isn't much better. Both big and small companies that I've worked for have people who're useless tits and are a drag on productivity. Where I work now, there's a guy who works in a department that feeds ours, when he misses work, we're all over-joyed, because we know that means not only are they going to be putting out enough work to keep us busy, but we'll probably have so much stuff that we'll have to work overtime!

Had a beer with Techman just the other day. He's doing great. We were scoping out the new Asian chicks. They come in here from North Korea all the time.

So long as his due process rights are upheld in the process, I don't see a problem.

Looks like it's time to call...

Okay, the Sokar's Ghost thing is in really bad taste.

I got dropped from the Nuke program during basic because my roommate's eviction led to me havin gto move home an hour away and leaving my job unexpectedly, sending all my bills into collections. I'd never been latre with bills before or since and the only reason I took that contract was from the bonus--the bulk of which would've gone to clearing those remaining debts off.

But, had I had a clean record and made it the two years into the fleet and popped for drugs, or developed some kind of neourosis as much in the nuke program do because of the conditions they work in? Yeah, that's okay. Sweep it under the rug, because dealing (or not) with drugs and a possible breakdown is better than spending another quarter million on someone ot replace you.

My brother was on a carrier and he said nothing short of a civilian murder case got the nuke engineers kicked out the Navy.

Honestly, I think Sokar wouldn't mind. In fact, he's probably laughing about the fact that nearly six months after his death that his memory is somehow "owning" all of us.

1. Non-Nukes have no idea what being a Nuke is like. None at all. The amount of bad information I have heard about Nukes from Non-Nukes is insane.

2. That being said, I WAS a Nuke, on a carrier and I can tell you that what your brother said is a steaming load.

Nukes have to walk a razor's edge ALL the time or they get sent bye-bye.

It's very, very, very, easy to get turned into an ex-Nuke.

Some nukes don't impress me. Usually the ones who never actually served on a nuke boat.

I was one of Sokar's friends here, so my first reaction was what John Castle said. My second reaction was what you said.

He trolls from beyond the grave.

I did. But since you always claimed I was full of shit, I figured I'd leave it up to you to prove yourself.

It's just some attention-starved fucktard child who thinks he's cute. Don't give him any.

Well SkinOfCastleRazor did a passable SkinOfEvil dual for some time before he started slipping so I put him high on my list of suspects, so unless he's feigning disdain to throw us off the trail, I'm-a say this is actually Sokar's spirit. He's found a way to transfer his consciousness onto the InterWebs.

[Edit: Oh, and on topic, military bases have stupid strict gun control--I mean, NO ONE gets to have a gun on a military base. The Navy Yard is, of course, in the heart of Washington D.C. which, in spite of recent lawsuits, still has stupid strict gun control. Can we finally agree that gun control doesn't actually work?]

Yep. Avoiding nuclear accidents is the single most important factor there is.

1. Submarines are "boats". Carriers are "ships". There's no difference in the quality of the Nuke based on whether they were a carrier Nuke or a sub Nuke. They all get exactly the same training, BUT the politics are much, much, much more demanding on a ship. Too much brass walking around. It's easier to get away with BS on a sub than on a carrier. But the training and skillset and knowledge and experience winds up being exactly the same.

2. Some Nukes comes directly out of training to become instructors at Prototype, and some Nukes serve on tenders as maintenance folks and never wind up ever operating a plant. Those folks are in the vast minority.

If BearTM meant case #2, I tend to agree. If BearTM meant case #1, I would say that he speaks from a lack of sufficient data points to make a suitable judgment.