Did GTurner get banned?

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  1. Spaceturkey

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    Hey...
    I called you an apple first!
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  2. Amaris

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    The Violet Room has been planned for a while. For months now, gturner has been ramping up thread derailment, and spams excessively. When he would do this, other members would join in and make it worse. Threads would get derailed as people would focus more on gturner's bullshit instead of actually discussing the topic. Now, meandering happens all of the time, but gturner wasn't meandering, he wasn't going off topic a little bit, he would go off the rails, and the topic would collapse into a clusterfuck of spam. As I said earlier in the thread, the Red Room is lightly moderated, but it is still moderated.

    I'll remind you all again, that the moment he found he could only access the Violet Room, from the notification PM that was sent the moment the account was modified, he started sending out PMs to other members with the notion that he couldn't figure out whether or not he had been banned. He didn't respond to any of us, he just started sending out private messages to people like Shoes, and Dinner. All he's here to do is stir shit, cause trouble, and fuck everything up. A sensible board would have kicked his ass to the curb long ago, but Wordforge doesn't really like sensible so much, as it's more free wheeling here than other places. So he was asked to stop. He didn't. He was told to stop. He didn't. He was warned on multiple occasions for spamming fora and stirring up shit in threads unrelated to what he'd post about. He didn't stop.

    Just recently, when the Violet Room was approved by the Admins, I let gturner know exactly what was going on, and what would happen if he kept on screwing around. When I started the thread in the Help Desk, I also tagged him in all of the relevant posts so he could read them and get a good look at the future if he didn't stop. He had ample warning, and he chose to ignore it. He's also been watching these threads all day. So whether you know it or not, you keep entertaining him. I don't care if he's entertained, but he has now been limited to the Violet Room.

    No lawyer balling. Sorry, kid, this isn't a court of law, and gturner isn't the hapless defendant.
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  3. The Original Faceman

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    You don't want to talk ethics then, fine. Coward.

    Maybe optics. Do you know how this looks? You just lost the election and you ban the winners biggest cheerleader a week after creating a special room to put threads that make you feel uncomfortable?
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  4. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    I understand the reasoning. He's a shit poster and always will be. I still think it's a bad move because it sets a bad precdent, though I recognize it will be temporary.
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  5. Amaris

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    Optics don't matter to me when everything one does is shouted down by those who love to do the shouting. Some of the posters here have already decided on their narrative, regardless of any fact based evidence laid down by us. If I'm going to be damned whether I do or don't, then I'm just going to do what is necessary to keep the board running smoothly, anyway. People will either get over the changes, or they won't. That's the way life works. A message board is a microcosm, and Wordforge is no different. Every time, every single time this board has changed ownership, changed software, changed rules, whatever, it has experienced these rumblings. People don't like change, but sometimes it's necessary.

    That's the key. It's only as temporary as he wants it to be. If he stops with the shitposting, and the spam all over the place, then there's no reason why he has to stay. I much prefer this to banning, and advocated this over possibly banning him.
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  6. markb

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    Ayup, that'll happen.
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  7. El Chup

    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    This. Just realised what has happened.

    "Decision reached by admins". Bullshit. I refuse to believe that all four of you are this damned stupid.

    A half ban? Bloody ridiculous. If you don't want a new rule and you don't want him here then JUST BAN THE FUCKER. These silly halfway games are for kindergarten. He hasn't broken a rule, no matter how much you hate him. Why not just be bloody honest and admit you don't like his lies, his politics and his spamming, want him gone and hold your hands up and ban him. You've refused to give him a proper chance, and this halfway house garbage is just designed to drive him, and anyone who agrees with his politics, off the board....and you clearly think you're all smarter than the rest of us by trying to hoodwink us into buying into the idea that this is anything other than a callous attempt to drive him off while being shrouded in the cloak of supposed fairness. If people wanted a TK Daycare centre or thought it was a good idea they'd post at TK. Even Tamar never pulled this BS.

    Total hamfisted clusterfuck. :jayzus:

    If you don't want him here then grow some fucking balls and ban him. :jayzus:
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  8. El Chup

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    Since when is it a crime to post a lot?
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  9. Amaris

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    We gave him every chance, and he ignored them all. I'm not going to regale you with the story, as I've already posted it here repeatedly. This is the move that has been made. Gturner can leave once he stops the derailing, and excessive spamming. If he can't, he stays.

    Read through the thread, please. I have no desire to post, again, what I've already said before.
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  10. El Chup

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    How the bloody hell can he "stop the derailing" if he can't post in any threads??? Nobody is going to post a political thread in the Violet Room. :dayton:

    This is an effective ban...and it has arisen because you lot are too cowardly to either pull the ban trigger or change the rules. :jayzus:

    And no, I'm not going to read a full 8 pages just to give my opinion. The first two were sufficiently full of nonsense. I'll be starting work soon and I don't need to read any bullshit explanations to see what is plainly obvious.
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  11. Amaris

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    Then why bother asking me questions if you're going to make your own narrative regardless of what I say? Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

    So I did.
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  12. El Chup

    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    "Own narrative"? :facepalm: What are the rest of your posts going to tell me? That this half banning is a good idea and some lies about he supposedly having a chance to be a member of the board while being consigned to a room you know he doesn't post in. I don't need to hear your explanations to think it's a bad idea. I was saying it's a bad idea before you even did it. :dayton:
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  13. Amaris

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    Who needs to read someone else's post when you already know you're right, eh?
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  14. El Chup

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    If I were wrong you wouldn't be telling me to go back and read the thread, you'd just come out and immediately say why I was wrong as you'd be able to do so in a quick sentence or two.

    But the fact is you know I'm not...and when I get around to reading the thread later on I suspect I'm not the only one.
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  15. Amaris

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    Or I could be tired because it's 3:30 in the morning here, and I've been hearing bitching and moaning on this forum all day. That said:

    http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2907820/
    http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2907834/
    http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2907852/
    http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2907857/
    http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2907877/
    http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2907888/
    http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2907893/
    http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2907915/
    http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2907918/
    http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2908018/
    http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2908101/
    http://www.wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2908108/

    And now you're up to speed. There's your quick sentence or two, because I've discussed it using more than a quick sentence or two. Please feel free to read those links, or just start running around like the world has come to an end. Either one affects me exactly the same.
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  16. Ten Lubak

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    Honestly, just admit you guys fucked up and grant gturner back his board privileges before he commits suicide over his segregation and call it a day.
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  17. Amaris

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    That would mean believing we fucked up. I know I didn't fuck up. I know @Anna, @shootER, @gul didn't fuck up. You know who fucked up? @gturner fucked up, and now he has to live with that fuckup. I know some of the people here have a soft spot for members like @gturner, who bring lots of entertainment, but let that soft spot be in your heart, not your head. He did stupid shit, and when warned not to do stupid shit, kept doing stupid shit anyway. Then when he was called on that stupid shit, he tried to do some really underhanded stupid shit with unwitting members of the board before we caught him.

    TL;DR - No.
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  18. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    That's only because he can't beat anybody in an argument. All those guys not restricted to the Violet Room must really suck. :lol:
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  19. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    The optics of him being here are worse. We absolutely knew this would be the reaction. And yet, the owners all agreed completely. Actually, there was some argument for getting rid of him all together, but this was a compromise. He has been here with one purpose and one purpose only, disrupting the board.
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  20. El Chup

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    Yes, and it's a strange coincidence that this, and the Violet Room, popped up now. You could've done this two, where the reaction would likely have been less - but you didn't. @Faceman is asking you to reflect on how this looks, and the timing does you no favours when you yourself admited in the months leading up to the election that you despised gturner as all that was wrong with America and wanted him gone. So why didn't you do anything then?
    Load of bollocks. What compromise? There's no compromise. It's a for all intents and purposes full ban. He wasn't posting in the Violet Room and wasn't likely to since he's all about his partisan garbage. What, you think he's now all of a sudden going to start posting lots of call out threads in the VR? :facepalm: I told you to shit or get off the pot and just didn't have the guts to do it did you? Instead you all concocted this supposed compromise, which is anything but, to delude yourselves into thinking that you'd somehow been reasonable. :jayzus:
    An assumption never proven. Comparisons to Enterpriser doesn't constitute stone cold proof, no matter now tedious gtardo's act was.
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  21. Yelling Bird

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    I guess I was naive to assume that the violet room would only be used for the purpose stated in the forum description, since most of Volpone's troll threads have been moved there from the forums the were originally posted in.
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  22. markb

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    Well, he landed here right after TBBS had enough of his Enterpriser shenanigans and gave him the boot. I guess they didn't want a rerun.

    He has 19,000 post in a short time. Seems like a compulsion, to post that much. Except since he's been restricted to the VR, not a peep. Nothing. For a person who made 60-100 post a day, that's remarkable restraint.

    Unless it's not restraint. Maybe it just since he can't shitpost in the RR and ruin the board experience for many (just like Enterpriser) he does not want to post. That makes it less a compulsion and more a plan. Well, that plan is stopped, and stopped cold.
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  23. gul

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    Volpone has stated that he only posts in the Violet Room, so it wouldn't surprise me if his thread posting reflects that.

    As for whether it's a de facto ban, that's up to gturner. Nothing is stopping him from posting the same content he used to post. His choice so far to not do so should be a pretty good indication of his purpose here.
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  24. El Chup

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    What they wanted is immaterial. As has been mentioned this is not Trekbbs, this site was meant to be a protest against Trekbbs.

    So? His thing is partisan crap. He can't post that in the VR, so why do you expect him to be posting now? It's an effective ban and you know it.
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  25. El Chup

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    So you're saying that the VR is just another Red Room? The description seems to say otherwise.

    Also, what if he feels he's being discriminated against and is not posting for that reason? You're basically saying "you're a total lump of shit who should be banned gtardo - oh but if you prove yourself while feeling undermined (which we have no intention of seeing because we've told you you're scum that should be banned) then we might let you back in". Total bullshit. It is a de facto ban and you know it. The only people who are even buying this bullshit are your mod cohorts and the originator of the idea (who already knows I don't agree with it FWIW).

    How long before others you dislike end up there? Ramen, Dinner, Volpone, myself, Flashlight, Dayton. Who's next? :bailey:
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  26. T.R

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    If you dont like what somebody posts then IGNORE THEM! Sticking him in a quite room because you don't like what he posts reeks of gestapoism and cowardice.
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    So you built a wall to keep him out?

    Interesting.
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    No it's quite relevant. They had complete chaos there due to Enterpriser. Never ending rule changes, massive amounts of disaffection, warnings, posters leaving in disgust or getting banned for attacking him.

    But here is the difference: they had such a massive user base, that they could recover. Which they did. We are minuscule in comparison, we won't recover from that kind of thing, we'll just turn out the lights.

    It's not. He can post anything he likes in that room. He chooses not to. Because there, it does not create that Enterpriser effect. Which is all that he wants.
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  29. El Chup

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    There has been:-

    1) No rule changes;

    2) No mass disaffection (in fact, more left when and because Anc & gul became owners than over gturner, who has caused no departures); and

    3) Nobody getting banned for "attacking" gturner.

    So the comparison fails.

    Do you honestly believe that this community, which has been here for nearly 15 years, lives and dies on a spamming loser who has just been here for two years? Bull.

    If he can post ajything he likes, what is the point of the room? What's to stop everyone just posting Red Room threads in the VR, thus rendering the former pointless?
    Correction, that's what we think he wants.
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    This is the way to avoid rule changes. I would have been a complete hypocrite about it and banned his ass outright if it was my call. It's not though. And they didn't want to. So, viola! The VR.

    Some people have disappeared. Maybe it's because the front page of the RR always looked like utter dreck because of his threads? Who knows?

    That's correct.


    I don't know for certain. But that's what an Enterpriser type does. He post, and post, and post, and post, drowning out everything else and souring the user experience. Enough is enough.

    He had more then 10 days of quite explicit warnings that if he did not change his posting habits (which he is quite capable of doing) he would be restricted there. He refused. He's restricted.

    He has shown the when he wants to he's quite capable of posting other things, he chooses not to. So here is the result.

    The VR is useful because as just a sub forum of the RR, it's keeps the endless dreck off the front page.


    No, refusing to modify your contentious posting habits after 10 days of warnings about it and getting a clear message that you will be restricted to the VR if you don't, and ignoring that, you send a pretty clear message about what your intentions here really are.

    Have you noticed that manic poster, hasn't made a single post since? Not a complaint, not a defense, no argument, or rage, or whinge, or just his usual old stuff?

    Nope, none of it. That shows that he is quite capable of controlling himself when he wants to. Remarkably so. Which means he wasn't just a lonely nutter who couldn't help himself, but was working towards an end. Just like Enterpriser.

    Well, his own ends, stops now.
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