Earliest Hominid Ancestor Fossil Found in Europe

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  1. Tuckerfan

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    It lived 7.2 million years ago.
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    Interesting article, but I'm going to wait for more evidence. One example is enough to ask questions and dig deeper, but as someone mentioned in the article, there are numerous examples in sub-Saharan Africa. Still, an interesting find, and a good example of why our history is never fully shaded in.
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    Interesting but ultimately there are a lot more experts looking for stuff like this in industrialized areas so similar finds could still be waiting to be uncovered in Africa. Also the mitochondrial dna diversity is still highest in Africa.
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    Into Africa and Back Out Again?
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    Go back to Europe? No ring to that one!
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    Interesting, but with how rare fossils are I wouldn't want to draw any conclusions on where these populations were based. It is entirely possible that they were common in Africa with a few moving out into Europe but this fossil is simply the only surviving one we have found.
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    I'll agree that the headline is a bit sensationalist. After all, just because a fossil is found in one place, doesn't mean that this was the only place a particular species lived. This is, however, the first time I've heard of this particular species, and I do find it interesting that the family tree of human ancestors is wider than previously thought.
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    Splitters tend to do that.
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    Like I said, most of the people looking for this stuff don't like or work in Africa. It might very well be in Africa but not enough people are looking to find it yet.
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    IMO, I think it should read:
    Currently, most experts believe that our human lineage split from other apes
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    If the rocks are the right age, they're looking.
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    Genetically, most humans globally share DNA with people still in Africa, yet Africans have DNA that the rest of the world does not have. At least, according to documentary called ... something like "Finding Eve" .... or ... whatever. something about "Eve" anyway. The point was, everyone alive today, outside of Africa, shares a specific mitochondrial gene. People in Africa have that gene, as well as others that are not found outside of Africa.

    So, while interesting, this does not prove Europe was the birthplace of mankind.
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    Ladt I heard the main difference was diversity of mitochondrial dna.
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    it makes sense that humans developed in Africa first. Proto humans and early humans wouldn't have yet developed the technology and skills that are needed to survive & prosper in colder climates. Making fire on demand, making insulated and adequate cold weather clothing, hunting as a primary source of food versus eating vegetation (especially in arctic or near arctic climates) etc.etc.
    Thus Africa would be the place where the not yet so advanced peoples could prosper and develop a bigger skill-set as they spread out into harsher/differing environments that demanded it.
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    No, that would be 5 million years later :async:

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    In related news.
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    This is interesting. I think what we will see is a lot of proto-humans spreading out, a lot of localized evolution, then hybridizing and interbreading between the various groups.

    That is how you get the genetic diversity which is always under selective pressure weeding some out and resulting in changes over time.
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    this is an example of why I can't wrap my mind around people who don't believe in evolution. I mean damn....you can see evidence of it if you just take a few seconds to think about it.
    Every single aspect of any activity/function/idea starts out simple and then improves, dropping what doesn't work and improving on what does work. Thus no matter what religion you are, not believing in evolution just doesn't add up.
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    Evolution doesn't necessarily negate the existence of god.
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    Did someone say it did?
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    Phone ate my reply. :brood:

    "Microevolution" is a better term, c.f. "macroevolution" (speciation).
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    and it shouldn't. But when you try to shoehorn a pre-oxygenated earth of primitive organisms into the top of the food chain human world into a literal six day time period? You get some skepticism.
    Sorry but I can't swallow the idea of mankind being the center of existence and every other animal, plant, and galaxy being an afterthought.
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    Evolution deniers.
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    Oh, I thought you were picking on someone in the thread.
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    No.
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    In the 1970's, Christianity more than welcomed science and accepted the Bible as the word of God, but written by ancient people who didn't necessarily understand the nuances of science involved. However, since the 80s, Jerry Falwell, et al, has made christianity (notice, this is now not capitalized) a part of politics. Christians who base their christianity on politics do not practice Christianity.

    oldfella's post is not negating the existance of God. He's stating how christianity is different from Christianity.
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