Gun Deaths Now the Third Leading Cause of Death in American Children

agree! You can't kill yourself with the gun you already own, but the gun you are about to buy will surely do the trick?

So, for EuroForge, how are crazy stalkers dealt with across the pond? Cuz rape and shit still happens there, but I assume your cops take it more seriously than ours tend to do, no?

I'm good with women bringing "assault weapons" with them bought that day to abortion clinics for same-day service to protect themselves from violent protesters.

yes, but I would comment that a person that already owns a gun can't be harmed by having to wait to add to their collection. How many guns do you own?

There's an elegant logic to this.

Doing some related reading earlier. I'd forgotten that the guy who did the Pulse Nightclub massacre had purchased his guns legally, including a background check and a waiting period.

As did Dylann Roof. I'm not sure I'd use these cases as an argument in favor of not doing background checks or having waiting periods.

A deer's life should be held just as sacred as a human's?

I'm sure justice was served and the rapist was expelled just as she would have been.

No, I'd say a deer's life is more sacred then a thimble full of human embryo.

The argument seems to be that 3 day waiting period to possess a gun will help someone cool-off to the extent they won't take a human life. Similar to those arguing that abortion needs a waiting period.

Deer hunters plan ahead.

Deer are beautiful and very tasty. But overall they are like vermin. The do staggering amounts of damage to crops and peoples vehicles.

The abortion waiting period acknowledges that the situations leading a woman to seek an abortion can change pretty quickly and radically. The man who impregnated the woman can decide to take responsibility for his child and step forward with financial and moral support. A family which as been indifferent or hostile can have a change of heart. Those are just two.

So you think a waiting period is a good thing?

Sure. Can't hurt. Might help.

I've already mentioned a couple of cases where it DID hurt.

The benefits of a waiting period are purely speculative. Forbin's provided some cases where it's actually been detrimental, and in terms of mass shooters, it's been demonstrated to be ineffective.

The costs of the waiting period--everyone who wants to buy a gun to exercise their rights having to wait, the inconvenience of having to make a second trip to the store, etc.--are very real.

No one would choose to have an arbitrary wait to take possession of the things they buy. When you say "can't hurt," it's only because you're completely discounting the delay and inconvenience to the buyer.

If I made you arbitrarily wait for several days to do something you wanted to do, you would most assuredly consider that to have harmed you.

I see your couple of cases and raise you a father's day plea.

Some old articles collected on an old site:
http://www.afn.org/~afn01182/waiting.html
Yeah, yeah, a site with an agenda, but the stories aren't made up.

Trying to find the right wording for a Google search is turning up some strange stuff.

From the article...

Common sense tells me that reducing the speed limit on highways to 30 miles per hour would be easy to implement, harm no one, and save lives. If this saves a single life, isn't it worth the effort?

Oh, except everyone is harmed because spending more time to get from place to place is a burden they would rather not bear.

But we'd undoubtedly save lives, so the same logic works, doesn't it?

Part of the reasoning behind the NICS instant background check , is to eliminate the waiting period (which was originally in place to allow the authorities a couple of days to do, guess what, a background check). So supposedly NICS was supposed to replace the waiting period. Last handgun I bought, that's how it worked. But the Brady bunch got irate, and wanted the BG check plus the waiting period. I think that's when they started in with the "cooling off period" catch-phrase.

But how often does that happen, though?

It doesn't take weeks to know if your situation is shit or if you're otherwise not is a position to raise a child.

They refuse to talk about it because they're afraid it will make people racist.

The right to keep and bear arms, for one.

So you don't actually support the right to keep and bear arms, which is tied in with the right to self-defense. I wouldn't be surprised if you defend the erosion of the other rights enumerated in the Constitution, too.

Bullshit. You propose eroding the rights of everyone based on the actions of a few.

Yeah right. So if I asked you about, say, hate speech laws, you'd totally be against those then?

I did some time with the 2nd ACR in Iraq. That is how modern Cav should be done unless, of course, we are talking about the helicopter mounted air cav.