Sick To My Stomach - Memphis City Council is Illegally Removing Historic Statue

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  1. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    I'm sick to my stomach right now. I could vomit. They are removing a statue of my ancestor, Nathan Bedford Forrest and desecrating his grave. A man who went from slaveholder to advocate of the black community and a man who was loved by the black community. This proves that society will not allow any redemption and improvement of race relations.
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    He also help found the KKK. You must be proud.
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  3. Diacanu

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    Yeah....he's pretty much known for the Klan thing.
    When did this black rights advocate thing happen?
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    In all fairness, he did disavow the organization. His about face on race relations was very similar to Governor Wallace's. That said, it's still a complex issue and General Forrest may have committed war crimes, even under that era's standards.
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    You should go hide in your closet until you feel better.
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    Sorry, but the city ain't doing shit.
    In short, the city got tired of the state government cockblocking their efforts to remove statues on city property, so the city sold the parks to a private group, who has begun the removal. Sorry snowflake, but the participation trophy for your ancestor is coming down.
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  7. AlphaMan

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    Nathan Bedford Forest, the original Grand Poo-bah of the KKK was an advocate for the black community....???

    Gonna need some citations there.
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    ohdeve the obvious dual FUCK YO GRAPES!

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    Jesus fucking Christ. After reading shit like this and hearing people gleefully defend going back to the Gilded fucking Age and just living my pathetic fucking life, I'm about a bad day away from eating a bullet. Fuck.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Corporate intervention? The hell you say! :shock:
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    Well, that explains a lot. :async:
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    Probably a non-profit entity, who'll own the parks for a brief period of time after the statue removal, and then sell them back to the city for what they paid for them. (I'm guessing $1.)
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  12. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    From the description of the book:
    Yeah, I'm going to have to say that the scholarship on this work is suspect, at best. I note that the author has no other works to his credit, and no mention of any academic credentials in his bio.

    Additionally, these are two of the blurbs for the book:
    Not exactly noted historians.
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  15. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    Yeah man. You can totally look at a person's heritage to understand their capabilities and inclinations.

    You imbecile.
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    Shut up, cracker. :borg:
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    Am I the only one who thought this was a Volpone thread at first? :unsure:
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    You're the one who brought it up. And it jibes with your posting history.
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  19. Zombie

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    I don't care the statues are being removed but I'm not liking how the city did it.

    How do you sell tax-payer owned property without going through the proper process?

    I can see lawsuits. Especially if the parks are sold back to the city.
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  20. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    Hopefully people will be jailed.
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    Don't agree too much. I got not problem with knocking the statue down and moving the bodies.

    I just don't like the shenanigans behind it.
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  22. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    Disturbing a grave is a class E Felony.
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  23. 14thDoctor

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    That's only for human graves. Whites are subhuman. :bergman:
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    Wikipedia has some citations that confirm things that could be, if taken without any context, evidence for that. If you take everything at face value (which these days, I wouldn't), he seems to have been a lawful neutral type. Slave trader when it was legal, general for his state in rebellion, allegedly joined the KKK to try to prevent post-war reprisals by federal troops during Reconstruction, allegedly left it when he saw it becoming a violent mob, apparently gave a well-received speech devoid of much substance but did have a couple lines telling black people to go vote, and hoping to be an ambassador of goodwill. It does read like revisionist history though, so take it with a grain of salt.

    I'm sure the statue wasn't put up to honor his race relations work, though, such as it was.
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    Yep. It strikes me as the same kind of legal shenanigans used to sell a piece of property in the middle of a government owned park, so they don't have to remove a cross. The courts have ruled that such things are legal in the past, even if they are transparently skirting the law.
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  26. Fisherman's Worf

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    I hope you vomit up your stomach and die the slow painful death that racists like you deserve. :yes:
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    True but in those case the land that the cross sits on still belongs to the person or group who bought it. I'm sure in these cases you could find out who bought the land the cross sits on.

    In this case the city sold two whole parks to unknown persons while hiding it from the public. For all we know the Mayor bought the parks. Now the question becomes what happens to the parks. If they get sold back to the city I see a lawsuit having a better chance of succeeding because the court will simply point out that there was never any intention of actually selling the parks. It was just a matter of breaking state law by doing an end run. Courts aren't going to like that.

    And if the parks don't get sold back the lawsuit will be over the fact that it was done in secret without the taxpayers having a say in the matter, approving it, or themselves having a chance to buy it. Maybe the city could have gotten a better price for it.
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    They should put up statues of Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman in their place, and watch the Poodles of the world really implode.
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  29. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    I don’t care if they put statues up. Go ahead.

    I do have a problem with doing it in the place of existing statues.
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  30. ohdeve the obvious dual

    ohdeve the obvious dual FUCK YO GRAPES!

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    Oh no, someone wants to remove a statue of a racist, war criminal traitor, quick, get me a box of Kleenex so I can cry some manly Southron tears!
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