How do you think morality works?

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  1. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

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    1 part culture, 1 part genetics.

    We're wired to reward ourselves (endorphins) by going along with the group. Groups tend to have a better survival rate.

    We rationalize the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one, but it really is just what makes us feel good.
  2. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    What do you consider my "m.o."?

    And Luke 18:9-14 is one big reason I do not like to talk about how much I give to the poor and less fortunate. But when you challenge my morality on that basis I have no choice but to respond.
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  3. Order2Chaos

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    That's "love your neighbor as [you love] yourself", not "love your neighbor as [they love you]".
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  4. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Don't believe in Karma, or Magical Men in the Sky, or Divinely inscribed Hebrew tablets.

    Morality is a complex matter. It isn't a mathematical function where you plug in situation x and get moral decision y.

    Simply put: morality is how you should conduct yourself and interact with others. This behavior is governed by multiple and often conflicting principles.
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  5. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Well, when you fall back on Ecclesiastes instead of the more overarching Golden Rule, it suggests your response to the "poor and less fortunate" tends to be :lalala:

    Riddle me this: You're buying groceries in Walmart and there's a mother and a couple of kids on the checkout line ahead of you. She doesn't have enough $ to cover the total, so she asks the cashier to void some of the items in her cart. Do you (A) roll your eyes because she's holding up the line, (B) mutter something about "food-stamp people," or (C) tell the cashier "Don't worry; I'll cover it"?
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  6. Dayton Kitchens

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    (C) been there, done that.

    How about (and I've mentioned this). Driving team bus from track meet. Bus stops at a place for the kids to get something to eat. I notice a couple of kids stay on the bus and hear they don't have any money.

    So I ask them what they would like and I buy it for them.

    But so their pride isn't hurt, I tell them that I get my food for free (as a coach and driver).
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  7. El Chup

    El Chup Fuck Trump Deceased Member Git

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    Dicky, there is no questioning the fact that you are a smart chap, but I would ask you to consider that for many morons your posts are written such that they encourage skipping over.

    Just a polite thought.
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    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    D) She blows the cashier, he lets it slide.
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  9. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Ehhh, maybe....
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Actually, you could do a good Cliff's Notes version of morality with the beginning of the Hippocratic Oath: First, do no harm.
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  11. Soma

    Soma OMG WTF LOL STFU ROTFL!!!

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    If you write like a retard, you probably are one. :lol:
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    Morality is a manmade concept that is reliant on social construct. That is not to say it does not have value as working together and compassion improve our society and allow us to reach valuable new heights, but the origen and nature don't seem to follow man's morality, and given they are the evolutionary basis of life survival it is a bit contradictory to look to creation for moral guidance. In most cases in nature it is the killer, thief, and wasteful breeder that end up surviving the best. Those willing to let the weak die without help are the members of the herd that stay safest. The predator who is most powerful and ruthless gets the biggest chunk of meat and the woman. This includes raping and killing offspring. Stealing from others gets you fed while they starve.
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    Yes, though even that is not sufficient.

    It's perfectly acceptable morally to harm someone to prevent harm to oneself or others (e.g., to shoot someone in legitimate self-defense).

    And it's perfectly acceptable to allow harm to occur to others if stopping it entails harm to oneself or others or if the effort would be futile (e.g., you needn't bankrupt yourself to solve hunger in the world).

    And it's perfectly acceptable to allow harm to occur to others if it's the just consequences of their own actions (e.g., your brother didn't make his car payments, so you let him lose his car rather than making them for him).

    As I said, it's complicated. There's no one formula.
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  14. Sean the Puritan

    Sean the Puritan Endut! Hoch Hech!

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    You're a theological ignoramus. There's no nice way to make that point. You are really, and truly, scripturally and theologically ignorant.

    I wouldn't mind this SO much, except that you try at every turn to act like you know what you're talking about, and you don't. It's very frustrating.
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  15. shootER

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    Sean, meet Dayton. :lol:
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  16. Sean the Puritan

    Sean the Puritan Endut! Hoch Hech!

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    I know.... I know.... what do I expect? :lol:
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  17. Dayton Kitchens

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    Pick any of these websites for explanations as to why the Old Testament is not binding upon Christians if you do not agree with me.

    https://www.google.com/search?sourc...i22i30k1j33i160k1j33i22i29i30k1.0.bbiLySSNIq0
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    Soma OMG WTF LOL STFU ROTFL!!!

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    You think the Earth is 6000 years old. Who are you to judge?
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    That depends on the animal and which member of the group you are. The sickly and weaker members tend to get picked off easier and breed less thereby passing their traits on less often. Life can be pretty decent for the strong and vicious in nature. The helpful get brought down more often for helping the weaker and charity than getting ahead.
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    Which is why both groups continue to exist in the same society.
  21. Sean the Puritan

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  22. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    definitely help her out. I've had people do that for me too. If you're in a position to help, you help - it's not rocket science.
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  23. Soma

    Soma OMG WTF LOL STFU ROTFL!!!

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    I give panhandlers money if they are black so they can buy alcohol and drugs. :)
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  24. Rimjob Bob

    Rimjob Bob Sue Collini always gets the weenie

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    Trumpsters demonstrate their view of morality is entirely tribal.
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  25. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Y'know, there's been some really good replies to this.

    Despite El Chup's efforts, I regret nothing.

    :bailey:
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  26. Soma

    Soma OMG WTF LOL STFU ROTFL!!!

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    In the absence of a supreme being, morality is necessarily relative and thus tribal.
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    I love people because I know how devastating it can feel to be unloved, and I do not want people to be unloved.

    Everything else derives from that.
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  28. 14thDoctor

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    1. I have no lofty moral expectations of Algeria. That said...

    2. Fuck Algeria. Fuck them right up the ass.

    3. If you think this atrocity isn't racial, you're a fool.

    4. From what I've read, this story went viral because there was finally video evidence of what before had previously been alleged without proof.
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  29. Soma

    Soma OMG WTF LOL STFU ROTFL!!!

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    Jeffrey Dahmer also loved people. He loved them so much he drilled holes into their skulls to turn them into zombies so they'd never leave, and he could keep on loving them. :wub:
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    You're the self-styled expert on culture. Aren't there something like 33 categories of gods in your ancestral culture?