Trouble in America

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by T.R, May 27, 2020.

  1. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    the vast majority of daytime protests have been peaceful. Obviously you won't hear as much about them on the news but they are happening.
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  2. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    A. The precedent does not have to be on all fours with the case at issue. If you want to read the case itself, you can find it here:
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/19/19-899/128836/20200116111130857_West_Appendix.pdf

    The majority explains QI as it is interpreted in the 9th Circuit. There has to be either 1. some analagous case in the 9th Circuit or the Supreme Court 2. A consensus among the circuits 3) Something so obviously unconstitutional that there is no need for precedent.

    I only did a quick skim of the majority, but basically the facts are that the plaintiff gave the cops permission to see if her ex, a dangerous felon, was inside. Rather than go inside, they used tear gas grenades and did damage to the home. The district court rejected the argument that qualified immunity should be granted. The appellate court reversed, apparently feeling that there was no binding precedent supporting the various arguments that plaintiff was making.

    B. Again, plaintiff can and probably did also sue under state law theories. Those theories would, if proven, entitle her to any damages she suffered. The main difference is she would not get attorneys' fees, or rather, her attorneys would have to rely on a percentage of the verdict/settlementhere are g rather than bill at a rate that they never ever would have gotten directly from the client.

    I am guessing that there are no cases that have not been filed because of qualified immunity made them "hopeless." Because a lawyer would always hope a) that it didn't apply to any federal claims or b) that tjey cuuld bring the same or similar claims under state law.

    The fact that Miranda rights are not required in all cases and are increasingly being curtailed does not change the fact that they were created by judges.

    There is no place in the Constitution that says the state has to pay for your defense if you are indigent. That is the right I was referring to, and it is a judicial invention.

    Similarly, the exclusionary rule is a judicial invention. It doesn't matter that one can see where it draw its origins from the Constitution.

    There are good judicial inventions and there are bad ones (though I suspect there would be various differing points of view as to which are which.)
  3. T.R

    T.R Don't Care

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    Yep. The protesters should never be lumped in with the looters and I hate when the media does it.
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    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    He's waiting for Marso and Forbin to get back from liberating the Mexican baby camps so they all can go.
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    He's bullshitting. that day will never come.
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    Rincewiend 21st Century Digital Boy

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    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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  8. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    well yeah... we all know he's the type of collaborator who would've ratted out Anne Frank for being an illegal.
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    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Minneapolis City Council President quote tweeting another Councilmember.
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  11. matthunter

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    My university has about 8000 students and we don't contract the police, despite that being a solid percentage of the town population. They cover us like they do everyone else.

    Admittedly, we don't have guns around, but the need for cops in schools is something a society should reflect on, not see as a fact of life.
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  12. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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  13. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    But doesn't your university have its own campus security?
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    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Kevin.
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    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    Shit, if Kevin put his hands on my daughters like that and I found out who he was, his house would get burned down. :mad:
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  16. matthunter

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    A few fat guys likely called Terry. They are only there to check unauthorised access, really.

    I was a student here back in the 90s, before I returned as staff in 2009. I was in one of the computer rooms of an evening when I needed the toilet. Rather than walk to the Student Union building, I noticed the library was open so availed myself of their facilities. As I was zipping up, the lights went out. I emerged into the lobby to find I was locked in. A call to the operator (the site contact numbers were conveniently in the part of the library I was locked out of....) got me the Fire Brigade, who were set to break down the doors to get me out... but decided to contact site security first. Said master detective chose to quiz me on why I was in the building, ignoring the fact that a burglar who can get IN, but not OUT, is pretty unlikely.

    I wouldn't trust our site security to notice Thanos showing up with his whole fucking army, until someone reported it.
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    steve2^4 Aged Meat

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    What you got against Terrys?
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    Apparently the British version of Kevin.
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  19. matthunter

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    Kevins' in the UK are too wimpy to work security.
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  20. matthunter

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    Trump's photo-op required Barr's thugs to assault an Australian news crew.



    Looking forward to drop bears being deployed in the next confrontation.
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  21. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    like Mark Twain said "nobody wants to read about the pig that wasn't stolen".
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    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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  23. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Fuck Rand Paul.
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  25. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Remember the days when university campuses were open to all?
  26. Zombie

    Zombie dead and loving it

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    I completely disagree.

    It seems as if this whole country can not keep it's mouth shut about anything. Especially younger people who've grown up with social media.

    Look at the people who rob and put their loot and their faces on Twitter and Facebook. Look at the people who bang the hot teacher and still talk about it. (Yes the teacher is wrong but who among us never had a teacher that made us think of Van Halen's Hot For Teacher? ;))

    Keeping a secret in America? HA!

    ;)
  27. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Rand. Short for that adorable little curly-headed moppet Randal Howard Paul. :bergman:
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  28. Zombie

    Zombie dead and loving it

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    DAMN!!!!!!!!

    That's way above average.

    That is a failure of the department to look more closely at that officer.

    That should have never gotten that far before someone intervened.
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  29. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    no - but only because I didn't go to an actual college. :(
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