Trumpite Americans, when will you finally acknowledge your leader is a joke?

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  1. Steal Your Face

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    I knew it was a potential problem. That’s why I didn’t call out who I thought deserved that trophy.
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  3. Fisherman's Worf

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    Another list I didn't make. :(
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  4. Asyncritus

    Asyncritus Expert on everything

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    You forgot the blatant, explicit association with neo-nazi white-supremacists. I would definitely count that as important, too.
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  5. Asyncritus

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    Unless I am mistaken, due to forgetting the details of things read many years ago, he is also an American citizen. Through his mother, I believe.

    But I could be in error. Geezerhood and all that...
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  6. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Well, nobody's perfect.
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    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    If Trump has managed to succeed in...well, anything, it's in spite of the toadies and bootlickers he surrounds himself with. The one thing he seemed semi genuine about was doing something about opioid abuse. I dunno what happened with that. That's one drop in the bucket versus everything stopping short of dropping a diarrhea shit on top of the Constitution.

    If you believe there's any two-sides-ing this, you're on crack. And I've legit had cousin who died from crack overdose who weren't this whacked outta their gourds. :zod:
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  8. K.

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    Every other developed country's government did. Why wouldn't the Democrats?

    He lied about the virus for months, and still does so now on every other day. He opposed basic hygiene measures. He penalized states for implementing them. He in turn failed to implement any of the programs that saved hundreds of thousands of lives in other countries.
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  9. K.

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    It's not about cheeseburgers and TV. It's about concentration camps, gestapo troops, support for white supremacists, and the betrayal of American forces.
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  10. Asyncritus

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    I'm not sure the issue is as black or white as either you or Azure is saying.

    I don't think anyone could have prevented the American economy from tanking, because that would require a massive change in mentality and socio-economic structure, in order to have the kind of safety nets we have here in Europe. Would the Democrats have done a better job, if they had the White House and both chambers of Congress? I have no doubt they would have, but it still wouldn't have been — couldn't have been — enough. Economically, this is a bad year for everyone, and just because it would have been (easily) possible to do much better than the Trump administration did, that wouldn't have kept the economy from being hurt very badly.

    The same thing goes for the 200,000 deaths. With a wise policy, and without Trump himself constantly spreading lies about the situation, I'm guessing that something on the order of three-quarters of those deaths could have been avoided. Perhaps as much as 90%. But not all of them. Especially not in a country as "loose" as the USA, where each state sets its own policies to a great extent. And no developed country prevented all deaths. Some, like the UK and Sweden, have been just about as bad on a per capita basis as the USA.

    So I'm all for blaming Trump (which is no secret to anyone), but all I can say is that he has made the ill effects of the pandemic worse by about an order of magnitude, not that he is responsible for all of it. 2020 was going to be a bad year no matter what steps were taken.
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    Aghhhhh!!! Nuanced thinking! :midnightsuicide:
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  12. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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  13. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    You've bought into loony toon land if you go with the 'oh we'll go the fascist route.'
  14. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    This is right up there with the bullshit that Russia targeted American troops.

    I guess if you run it around in your head a million times it has to be true, amirite?

    Hilarious.
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    You want us to celebrate the Israel-UAE deal and give Trump credit? Great, he got a peace deal signed. He gets credit. But, remember the law of both sides requires us to view this objectively. The peace deal between Israel and the UAE could have been accomplished by a Clinton or Biden administration. What Trump accomplished is not that special and is rather pedestrian. In fact, it could be said that a Clinton or Biden administration would have secured the same deal without offering F-35 fighter jets to the UAE.
  16. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    The Canadian government lied about the seriousness of the virus for months as well. Nobody gives a shit.

    What did the Demomorons say about the virus back when it all started? Especially those on the intelligence committees? They were privy to the same information. Oh right, they get a pass, because don't you dare question the saviors of your country. Trump is EVIL!!@#)*!@#!@#
  17. Fisherman's Worf

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    Lol nope
  18. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    You do realize out of the concentration camps, everything else you are saying is completely up for debate, right? That is how fucking stupid your side is. You literally run your entire life based on the talking points from the 24/7 news cycle.

    You do know there are better pundits on the left, right? That aren't caught up in the TDS?
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  19. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    I think you're looking at this from a European approach. The only way the deaths could have been prevented is mass wearing of masks. Even in Canada that wasn't possible, and we think we are more cultured and 'open' to using our common sense.

    Outside of that, Trump has little control over the policies that the dumbshit governor of New York enacted that drove COVID patients into nursing homes. Again, same problem up here in Canada. The feds had little control over how the care facilities were handled, but once the military was sent in to help in Ontario, they were so disgusted with how things went they actually filed reports against the province and the care facilities or human rights abuses.

    And one wonders why Ontario had elevated death rates....
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    So debate him. So far you're only throwing insults.
  21. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    "Trump is a fascist!!"

    "There is no evidence that Trump is a fascist, or that the US is going down the path of fascism despite your ridiculous talking points."

    "lol, nope"

    Very intelligent you fucking dumbass.
  22. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    Why debate someone who thinks that the protests burning and wrecking everything in their path should be allowed? Businesses, homes, etc were being destroyed. Nobody did anything. Even the mayors of those cities didn't give a shit until THEIR building was in the path of destruction, then they moved.

    I believe in law and order. If you're going to protest by burning shit down, all force necessary should be used to throw your miserable and pathetic ass into prison.
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    Hitler and Mussolini made the trains run on time so they couldn't be all that bad, eh?
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    yes, actually, he did. He's head of the executive department that runs all federal agencies.
    He closed the CDC's office in Wuhan that could have provided information about the virus last year.
    He stifled transparency in reacting to the virus by his own admission.
    He has promoted behavior in his followers that promotes disease transmission.
    He has promoted snake-oil treatments that benefit his cronies.

    As far as hospitals overflow going to nursing homes, that's what happens in the US. I don't know about Canada and the rest of the world, but if you need long term nursing care but not hospitalization, that's where you go. Yes, in hindsight this was a mistake. Too bad people at the top were stifling information flow.
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  25. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    This must be the dumbest thing I've read on here yet. The peace deal could have been accomplished by Clinton or Biden? Why wasn't it? I'll give Clinton a pass because the Middle East wasn't QUITE the shitshow while he was in power, but Biden was in power, literally, for 8 years and there was no peace deal of anykind. There was a massive escalation of JSOC raids though. Seriously, we've been in a endless 20 year war cycle with ZERO peace deals. Just more escalation, more killing.

    All deals require give and take on both sides. The existing deal actually is pretty minor, but the understanding is that this wouldn't happen with Saudi Arabia. Hopefully it continues. Even the ambassador from Canada to UAE calls it a massive win, and Canada isn't exactly into this.

    Good God you are fucking stupid. This is why nobody takes your side seriously.
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  27. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    You know why this all means jackshit? The same exact thing happened in Canada. Literally. So whatever you think Trump did that made it all worse, it is a bunch of shit.

    You are just searching for a target. The delusion is strong.
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    This kind of force made the protests worse.
    I don't agree with arson and looting, but it sure got the nation's attention. The underlying systemic problems of police brutality were clearly highlighted.
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    I'll bet Canada would have benefited (as well as the rest of the world) had the CDC's office in Wuhan remained open.

    You're not very good at debate. Please carry on with insults.
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    If you believe in law and order, you should have your lazy ass out there protesting police brutality. But, instead you're bitching about "oh, look, a squirrel". Focus!