"The 1980's are calling to ask for their foreign policy back."

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  1. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Remember that quote from President Obama when debating Mittens? Yeah me too. Unfortunately he was wrong to scoff at the idea that Russia being the biggest geopolitical threat because not only are things ramping up in Ukraine, (which I tried to find the thread) but Russia is also helping Kazakhstan clamp down on protesters. The question is, will Biden take a firm stance against Putin on will he fold? I personally believe we need to help Ukraine however we can, but with no boots on the ground. As for Kazakhstan, don't know, I feel for those people though.
    More at the link.
    https://apnews.com/article/europe-r...adimir-putin-036e4a28f9b3c913ae6d4112028dca1f
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  2. mburtonk

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    Do you mean that we don't have boots on the ground, or that we shouldn't have boots on the ground?
  3. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Shouldn’t.
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  4. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Shouldn’t.
  5. 14thDoctor

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    One guys assessment of world politics in 2008 isn't necessarily accurate twelve years later?

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  6. Order2Chaos

    Order2Chaos Ultimate... Immortal Administrator

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    That was 2012. But yeah, it was arguably premature while Medvedev was in power. And I haven’t seen much else from Romney indicating he’s particularly prescient on future foreign policy issues.
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  7. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    I agree with @Federal Farmer, we should dive headfirst into World War III, guns blazing.
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  8. The Original Faceman

    The Original Faceman Lasagna Artist

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    I thought Russia was framed?
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  9. tafkats

    tafkats scream not working because space make deaf Moderator

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    Well, now that Putin has Tucker Carlson and a large chunk of the Republican party lining up to suck his cock, this could get pretty messy.
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  10. Bickendan

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    Depends how you frame it.
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  11. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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  12. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Learn to read, that's not what I said, fuck you.
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  13. 14thDoctor

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    See, this sort of post is why fewer people are taking anything you say seriously. Keep up the good work. :async:
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  14. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    The Russian collusion thing was debunked long ago.
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    That's not even what I was talking about, but it's nice to see you're still a liar. :)
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  16. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    That article doesn't really provide any proof that Tucker is taking money from the Kremlin, but his statement about NATO inching us closer to a nuclear war is very problematic. We're obviously not going to do that and we need NATO so Tucker's in the wrong for sure.
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  17. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Since we all know you can only learn from YouTube:

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  18. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    It is not true that I can only learn from YouTube, however, I am a visual learner so it makes it easier for me.
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    member when the russians built a giant complex under the Hawkins mall to wake up the mind flayer? @Federal Farmer does, and it's been almost 40 years that we have left Hopper over in a russian gulag.

    That seems to have a lot more realism than any crazy bullshit FF is spouting. I hope 11's powers have come back so she can destroy russia with her mind.
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  20. tafkats

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    The "Tucker Carlson obediently parroting Kremlin talking points" thing continues to be reaffirmed on a regular basis.
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  21. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    The video @Ancalagon posted is pretty damning, I'll grant you that. Meanwhile other pundits on Fox are saying Biden's too weak on Russia. If I were in charge of Fox, I'd tell him to put a stop to it or his the road.
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    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Hey now, we've got plenty of war right at home thats trying to start up before we go chasing foreign ones! :nono:
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  23. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    My posting history has been pretty consistent with an anti-war stance.
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    Then why are you standing at attent...

    Oh. You're just happy to see us.
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  26. RickDeckard

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    Perhaps - just perhaps NATO should not be expanding right up to the Russian border.
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    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Alternative media exists.
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  28. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    NATO? I’m pretty sure Russia are the aggressors here. ETA: we’re heading into Cold War 2.0.
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  29. tafkats

    tafkats scream not working because space make deaf Moderator

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    Seems to me that countries on the Russian border are the ones with the most need to be part of a mutual defense pact.
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  30. RickDeckard

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    The situation is as usual a lot more complex than a comic-book caricature of one side being the "aggressors" and the other side not. The outlines of an agreement to resolve the situation are quite apparent, if the political will were there to take the necessary steps. These were already agreed by France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine in 2015 and endorsed unanimously by the UN Security Council.

    They include:
    • Withdrawal of the invitation for Ukraine to join NATO.
    • Disarmament of the separatist Russia-oriented region (Donbas)
    • Withdrawal of Russian forces (volunteers)
    • Demilitarization
    • Restoration of Ukrainian sovereignty, in which both sides have been heavily interfering.
    • Full autonomy for the Donbas in the context of the decentralization of power in Ukraine as a whole.
    What we've had since are a load of dick measuring contests about the timing and sequencing of these moves. But if rationality is to prevail and if the aim is to avoid conflict rather than to ensure US or NATO dominance, these (or something like them) are the only way out.
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