The Don't Say Gay bill

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  1. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    If Stoner (who actually designed the AR-10, which was developed by others into the smaller AR-15) didn't want civilians to own these, he had a funny way of showing it: by being a consultant to Colt and working with Knight's Armament, two companies who marketed civilian ARs.

    In any event, it's irrelevant: he didn't own the AR, nor the concept.

    The AR-15 (and its countless variations and derivatives) are now far and away the most popular long guns in the country and have been so for many years. That should fulfill the standard of "common use" that the Supreme Court put forward in Heller.

    Of course, one could fall back on Miller and try to claim that an AR-15 is unsuitable for militia use, but that would be a very contorted argument.
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    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    you've had it shown to you with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back who these people are, yet you still make excuses (to put it gently) for them and their actions... so yeah, you invite the insinuation.
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  3. Uncle Albert

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    Yes, people latch onto a lot of irrational shit that should not dictate policy.

    I refuse to be constrained by other peoples' flights of emotional fancy. :shrug:

    Then they don't care about gun violence. They care about imagery.

    Bullshit. It is not and never was a "weapon of war." That is pure dramatic license for emotional impact.

    A bloodbath maybe. Until the military lands on them with both feet. A change of government was never a possibility.
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  4. Uncle Albert

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    Lying sack of buffalo shit. I have never defended or made excuses for them.
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  5. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    So, your false (and hyperbolic) dichotomy here isn't favouring the known white nationalist/seditionist events?
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  6. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    Favoring? No, you utter fucking toolbag. You're seeing what you want to see.

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  7. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    The intent was certainly there...at least for some of the insurrectionists. That makes them insurrectionists. Building gallows and going looking for politicians to hang isn't "Legitimate Political Discourse".
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  8. Diacanu

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    It is not my argument that it is not indoctrination.

    Virtually everyone LIKES indoctrination - if it supports their own personal values.

    In this case, the supported values are "people are different, but it's okay, and we should respect and be kind to those who are not like us."

    Those who object prefer an opposing message. But there's a message either way.

    Parents decide their children's moral and spiritual teaching, NOT state employees.[/quote]

    That way lies anarchy. one of the original core purposes of public education was to assimilate a nation of immigrants into a common culture and set of values.

    It has not always been used for good, to be sure (see for example, the "Lost Cause" mythology) but it's always a tool of social cohesion.

    Not all parents affirmatively communicate values at all, many of those who do pass down bigotry and hatefulness as family heirlooms and heritage, some of them are just ill equipped for whatever reason to do so. But a society has EVERY right to work towards a world in which the kids who DID have wise and thoughtful parents don't have to live in a world weighed down by those who were raised by bigots and who, through no fault of their own, carry on that worldview.
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  10. Paladin

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    The law doesn't prevent anyone from saying that. :shrug:
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    rightforge is getting it's ass kicked on the gay forge tries a number of distraction techniques and then finally settles on their pro gun arguments to support their bigotry?

    OK, so you like AR15s and burst shootings, and somehow that makes the mentioning of homosexuality something that should be threatened? Seems to me like you are trying to show them gays you are armed so they better STFU. Typical argument tactic of guntards who cannot understand the internet and you cannot shoot anyone through the computer tough guys.
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  12. Diacanu

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    If you want to squeeze empathy out of a gun nut, shoot a gun.
    Wreck an AR-15 with a Magnum.
    Holy shit, do they cry.
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    He invented a whole family of guns using the same action. It's reasonable to call him the inventor of the AR-15. It's definitely his design lineage.

    However, his POV is valid when discussing it. Hell, we all know the Winchester mystery house. Winchester's family went crazy with guilt and believed they were haunted by the victims of the gun violence.
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    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    We have a lot of gun violence in the US. I wouldn't categorize it as an irrational fear.

    As long as you can categorize them as that. Granted the pandemic has dramatically cut down the number of mass shootings. But the three years prior there were an average of 11 a year in the US.

    The number of deaths has dramatically increased. In the 70s, only 8 people died per year. By the 2010s, the number had risen to 51 people killed in mass shootings per year.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/de...ited-states-is-rising-study-finds-2022-02-04/

    They care about someone shooting up the places they work, eat, or go to school. Again, human nature.

    Guess Stoner disagreed with you. It was illegal to show the wounds caused by the M-16, the full auto version of the AR15, for 20+ years. Same weapon, same basic design. Originally it was thought it was due to the tumbling nature of the ballistic pattern of the bullet, but it was later realized that it was due to the ammunition splintering on impact.

    Quite common now, I'd suspect, but at the time it was considered too gruesome to depict in Pentagon analysis.

    You presume that in a conflict between Congress and a POTUS who has enacted a state of emergency that the military would intervene. Again, I'm not sure that's true. Which is very, very troubling.
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  15. matthunter

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    Like the idea that kids are being taught that America is racist and should be hated.

    Or that trans folk are hiding in their restrooms waiting to rape them.

    Or that folk are changing sex just so they can win at sports.

    Or that you can't call someone "he" when they told you they want to be called "she" or "xe". You CAN. You're just a fucking cunt.

    You wanna talk irrational shit dictating policy? The GOP are on the lower end of the see-saw EVERY. FUCKING. TIME.
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  16. Uncle Albert

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    Done engaging with hysterical fucktards who think the Ar15 is a weapon of war or responsible for a significant portion of gun violence stats. If you don't want to address gang violence for fear of being accused of racism, you don't actually want to solve the problem, and are just posturing.

    They are.

    Not me.

    Again, not me. And I haven't heard it put quite like that.

    Unless you're in Canada. Then it's a crime. And don't even try to tell me there's no interest in bringing that silly horse shit into the States.

    So take that up with the fucking GOP.
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  17. Diacanu

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    There it is!
    He danced around it for an eternity, but he finally coughed it up.
    Torture him long enough, and "you KNOW what those people are like!" will come spitting out too.
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  18. Uncle Albert

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    You dishonest little fucksplat, that isn't even the tenth time I've mentioned gang violence here. I tapdance around nothing.
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  19. matthunter

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    No, they aren't. Saying a country has issues is not the same as saying you should hate it.

    Britain has a whole fucking boatload of shite in its history, but I'm still proud to be British. Often BECAUSE of our efforts to make up for the shite.

    So it's not there, but you're making policy to stop it anyway?


    You're shilling for them, so I'm counting you amongst their number, your emotionless cyborg "don't tread on me" act notwithstanding because it's more fucking transparent than Scotty's formula for aluminium. Which has TWO i's in it. Which we can see your shit with.
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  20. Diacanu

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    Whoa, whoa, who said TAPdance?
    That's really gross, Albert.
    If only you were capable of shame.
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    His family members obviously knew him better than I do (I don't), but did he ever actually come out against civilian sales himself? I mean the civilian version* came out in 1964...the same year the M16 was adopted by the military. As was already pointed out, he worked for two companies that produced civilian ARs. He was alive during the '94 AWB. Did he ever say anything publicly?

    That was due to the way the early, lighter military M193 round was designed, not the rifle. Any spitzer bullet will yaw or "tumble" when it hits something if it's going fast enough, but the crenulation in the bullet meant to hold the crimp of the brass was a stress point causing it to fragment when it started tumbling. Later rounds (including the heavier M855 round) didn't tend to do that.

    *which was a re-design of the M-16 that has a different lower, trigger group, and bolt carrier to make it so you couldn't just swap out a few parts and turn it into select fire or full auto in addition to only being capable of semi-auto fire like countless other civilian rifles that just don't look as scary
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  22. Uncle Albert

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    Fuck off with that. Just because I don't read verbatim from one team's playbook does not mean I "shill" for the other.
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  23. Diacanu

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    Well, you sure as fuck aren't neutral.
    A neutral person would keep their head down, and their mouth shut.
    You definitely don't do that.
    And you see anyone who doesn't like a boot on their neck as "entitled" and "whining".
    Well, guess what party platform that fucking is?
    Yeah.
    Put your paper shill crown on, and shut up.
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  24. Uncle Albert

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    No, I'm not neutral. Neutral people get walked all over by power-hungry authoritarians who believe they are morally superior enough to justify imposing their will. That is NOT a partisan behavior, and if you believe otherwise, you are part of the problem.
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  25. Diacanu

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    No, it's only okay to complain about that on the right.
    If the left does it, they're snowflakes.
    Get your own bullshit right, would you?
  26. Uncle Albert

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    Both ends of your imaginary political spectrum are filled with authoritarians, and anyone seeking to usurp my free will is my adversary.
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    hang on a sec... aren't you the one who dragged us off on this particular tangent in the first place?
    Well, yeah... we know where your sympathies lie.. you just deny it when called on them.
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    My sympathies lie with individual free will. Anything beyond that is the invention of a dishonest bullshitter with an agenda.
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  29. Diacanu

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    Oh, THAT'S how far down the tinfoil cone you've fallen.
    Holy shit.

    And the standard for that can be...ANYTHING.
    From mailmen to dental floss.
    Keep those standards vague, then you can be angry forever.

    "Adversary" meaning anyone online unfortunate enough to take your cartoon persona seriously.
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  30. Diacanu

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    FTFY.
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