I'm still confused. I know now that Joe Biden isn't a good person, and Beto O'Rourke is a racist

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  1. steve2^4

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    A truthful statement doesn't guarantee complete candor. I am long past taking people at their word.

    Awfully magnanimous of you. :rolleyes:
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    Why do we have to love the dems without criticism and question? Oh yeah, @Demiurge is drinking the kool aid.
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    I mean you could just accept that Amaris's stance is extremely unlikely to ever bring about the kind of world she wants, that such a world would be bad for most people anyway, ignore her and Tererun's inane ramblings, and move on. But instead you're pointlessly calling her out... why? She clearly does not believe in any sort of liberalism, so why do you expect that any of these arguments would change her mind? If you're going to spend any time on anything, at least make compelling arguments for the underlying concepts -- in this case liberalism and incrementalism -- rather than silly day-to-day political postures. It does not matter if she misrepresents Beto's position by using Rufo's, because it'll all be swept away in the glorious revolution anyway. :commie:If she can convince you to give up your evil ways so they don't have to waste a bullet on you (at least until they take control of the bullet factories, and then they'll have enough to wipe out the insufficiently pure) so much the better, but your expectation that "facts" and "better than the alternative" arguments are going to get you anywhere is misguided.

    I'm not even being sarcastic.

    The Texas families getting ripped apart are mere collateral damage, minuscule compared to the number of people who she wants up against the wall and shot when the revolution comes anyway, so it's really quite irrelevant what you think of Beto or Abbott and why.
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  8. Demiurge

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    Is Beto O'Rourke a white supremacist, Mike?

    Then I disagree with your assertion. Whether she knows she's lying is another factor, but IMO she's the worst kind of liar. A zealot who believes her pronouncements must be the truth. They spew forth lies constantly because they lack the critical thinking skills necessary to assess objective reality. They certainly make the most effective liars.
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    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    All that's true.

    But I think it misses the point.

    It's not that she isn't going to get what she wants.

    It's that she and the many people like her make it more likely that the bad guys get what they want.

    Her primary tenets are:

    1) My ideology is always right.
    2) There is no moral difference between the Democratic and Republican Party
    3) The system is broken beyond repair and only people like me know how to fix it.

    Sound familar?

    She's not a fascist, though she's just as much a zealot for the far left.

    But those tenets are exactly the same as fascism, and do fascists work for them.

    There is no far left party in the US. There is no chance it takes power. There is a far right party that has largely fallen prey to fascist ideology.

    There is a HUGE moral difference between the Dems and the GOP.

    But arguing that there isn't suppresses the vote of moral people. That not only helps the far right party, it is literally one of their key strategies to seizing power.

    The system absolutely needs reform.

    The tenet that it's broken and only I can fix it was just used by Trump, it's the core underpinning of how only Trump can 'Make America Great Again.'

    And stating that's it's broken beyond repair is now his tract and will be the justification for destroying liberal democracy.

    Making sure you spout the tenets of the far right because your extremism is just as far along the ideological spectrum as their own hurts liberal democracy.

    And one thing I'm pretty sure looking around this community - many here absolutely don't grasp that.

    You don't point out people's bullshit to change their mind. That almost never works.

    You do it to show other people the dangers and pitfalls of that philosophy.

    It's not irrelevant when people like this help Abbott get elected, because her grotesque notions aren't the reality of the situation. It does matter that transgender rights will be protected in a state with the population the size of Canada if Abbott is defeated by O'Rourke.

    It's also not limited to Texas. Do you have any sense that if this goes to the Supreme Court it certainly will be struck down? I don't. Then we'll see the literal destruction of transgenderism and making it illegal to get your transgender kids medical care in almost every Red state.

    It's amazing how self-destructive she is.

    But that doesn't hurt just her.

    She's helping other people like her get hurt, all along holding out to a claim of superior morality.
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    tenets.

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    LOL. There, fixed it for you. As always, laser focused on the important issues. :D
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    Sorry I didn't make myself clearer. Whether Beto is a white supremicist is a matter of opinion. When Amaris talks about what she does to help other people I have no doubt she is being truthful. Is that clear enough?
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    I've been on the road and I'm not caught up on this installment of As The Forge Turns, but without skimming Amaris' thread, in the general abstract sense...no, I don't think someone gets a pass on racism just because they're offering the bare basic level of decency towards the most vulnerable group of trans kids. :shrug:

    Edit: okay, so this started cuz Amaris' used an edited clip from a guy with ties to white supremacy and has his own agenda.

    Yeah, that was frankly stupid and lazy of her and if his racism is so easily proven, there should be other, less suspect sources to go to.
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  16. Demiurge

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    Making a claim of racism is quite a bit different than showing someone is racist.

    Go ahead and show me where the racism was. Because the claims were based 1) on an actual white supremacist lying about Beto and 2) nebulous claims that CRT teaches us that Beto is racist that no one else could possibly understand without her special knowledge - in other words, her dogma.

    Beto is a guy who said there was nothing more American than taking a knee at the NFL games in a town hall in Texas, who bemoaned the lack of opportunities for blacks, who campaigned hard on the Dream Act, who wants to reform immigration and allow a path to citizenship, who opposes the stupid racist border wall, who marched in protest of the separation of immigrant children from their families.

    This guy is the one she's calling a white supremacist.


    That's not the problem.

    The problem is he's a white male that doesn't want to immediately disband the American government.

    And this is why Amaris is poison. She helps guys like Abbott, who Beto is running against, get elected. There's no question Abbott is racist and hates the LGBTQ community.

    And, oh by the way, this wasn't grandstanding by O'Rourke. He didn't even send out this video. Ted Cruz, his opponent did, trying to appeal to Ted's racist base.
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  17. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Understood.

    But for the former I still disagree. Handwaving it away like anyone can be called a racist without any actual backing at all is just a smear. There needs to be some actual proof the person is a white supremacist. So far none has been forthcoming, and there's a lot of evidence that he is not.
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    There is a scale of prejudice and complicity with any prejudice. I can see the POV that a person who is complicit or supportive of racism in small ways works within the racist system. I can see where allowing it to go on actually promotes it. Politeness to bigots and acceptance of their prejudice pushes it more than the actual loud obnoxious racist IMO.

    BTW this does work for any prejudice and not just anti-brown racism. I am also not saying that being an obvious racist is good, but the bargains made with the moderates for their acceptance are actually selling your soul. You are not going to bargain with an Uncle Albert to be yourself, but you will sell yourself short for that moderate only to find they were never your ally to begin with. When you need their defense they always side with the angry bigot because you are nice. It is always easier to fuck over the nice guy than to stand up to the bigot. When the loud obvious bigot comes around that is when you need your allies the most, and that is when the moderates start talking about everyone getting along, and could you stop pissing off the bigot.

    Real allies are there when the shit comes down. They do not start telling you that they will misgender you or call you a slur if you do not do what they like.

    In the case of beto he does need to clarify himself. He needs to stand up against the lies about CRT. He needs to call out that bullshit or else he is just complicit and all that shows is that when push comes to shove he is going to try his best to appease the white wing. All that is doing is selling the truth short and doing the same bullshit that has been done in this country with black people since the beginning. The only time anything gets done for black people is when they fuck shit up for them. Never will the racists come around and accept teaching the truth about their racism. There is no way to explain it in terms they will accept. There is no way to sugar coat it because that is the whitewashing we had. The only way is fuck you we are teaching the truth. We are not going to lie for you. If Beto wants to lie for them then he ends up being functionally one of them. They are always pushing right, and all that capitulating to them means is that you end up on the side of the racists.
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    I didn't say I agreed with the first point. :)
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    Everyone here gets to bitch about whatever they want until it's something they support. Then they condemn you for bitching. Both posters you're quoting are the most likely to jump on first.
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    Isnt Texas legally obligated by a law they recently passed to teach alternative viewpoints of all subjects?
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    I don't know, but it would be fucking hilarious if someone tried that. Sorta like the First Church of Satan claiming tax-exempt status. Every law is subject to another law: the law of unintended consequences. :)
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    You could try it in the classroom. Though the Texas courts being what they are...

    But it absolutely is irrelevant to the 'seeking medical help to transition your child is child abuse' order. The kids get seized and sent to good, god fearing homes. And the parents go to jail.

    And it could absolutely open the flood gates to this all across the country if the challenge gets to SCOTUS and lose.

    It would be a modern day Dredd Scott.
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