January 6th Primetime Hearings

If that's a map of Canada that's Calgary, right?

If you hold the same opinions you did ... 10 years ago, but seem to be moving further left on the chart, that doesn't mean the whole is moving further left, it means the whole is moving further right. Even a small child can figure that much out.

So how’d the hearings go? Is there a political compass that will illustrate the shit show?

Not in this case. They haven't really changed the questions or the weights of the answers, so moving left over time on that chart is actually moving left over time.

If the questions remain the same, and they are moving left, they they have changed their opinion. If the opinions remain the same, the questions have changed.

If both remained the same, then they would be in the same place.

I thought it was well-produced. Not a bad opening for a mini-series. Laid a decent foundation for the seditious conspiracy charges, the premeditation, the connections to Donald Trump. We'll see if the emotional appeals are good enough to keep people coming back for the non-mob parts of the coup.

It's the bolded one. People are really good at post-hoc rationalizations, even (especially) about their own beliefs, and making them consistent with their past self. Or they make a big break and explicitly repudiate what they believed before. Neither requires the world to have moved right. It's one of the useful things about this test, that they hardly ever revise their questions or weights. Means that they can be used as a fixed reference over time, even if the scale is arbitrary.

I agree. But, that wasn't TLS's assumption. He said he had the same views. That is what I responded to. Not the chart.

I didn't watch live but did catch the highlights this morning.

My takeaways:

1) Barr admited that the stop the steal stuff was bullshit and told Trump he lost the election at least 3 times
2) Ivanka believed Barr, not Daddy
3) The panel claims multiple GOP politicians asked for pardons, if they have proof on that that's pretty damning
4) The Proud Boys reconnoitered before the attack, and had meetings with Oath Keepers for strategy

I'm sure there's a lot of other pertinent factors. They also brought up a white blonde capitol police woman who was hurt in the attack. Too many of the Capitol Police heroes were the wrong color for the average GOP voter to care.

Re: 2, as Colbert's writers put it, Donald finally got what he always wanted: Ivanka screwed him.

If anyone's curious what people who have only Sinclair media outlets are seeing on this topic: https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-wor...-capitol-police-timeline-shows-january-donald

Big yikes.

So did congress determine if @Federal Farmer was a libertarian of full fledged trumpista?

No, but they did find him to be full of shit and thus are charging him with theft.

In case a few classrooms full of dead kids didn't convince anyone, the new videos showing the Proud Boys in essentially full-on military gear storming the Capitol is another great argument for why America has a fucking gun problem and the second amendment is need of reform.

I expect the usual gun strokers on this board to negrep this post, but as far as I'm concerned anyone who still supports the Trumplicans can shove their firearms as far up their ass as they can and pull the triggers.

It must have been a bittersweet moment for Trump when Ivanka testified at the hearings last night.

After all this time, she FINALLY screwed him.

Fox News Channel elected to not air Thursday’s January 6 hearing live last night, which took place in primetime from 8 p.m. to 10 p.m. ET. While the cable news network topped CNN’s carriage of the congressional committee’s hearing in total viewers, it did not come close to MSNBC’s massive tally.

MSNBC averaged a whopping (for them) 4.161 million total viewers, trouncing both Fox News (2.957 million total viewers) by 29 percent and CNN (2.617 total million viewers) by 37 percent. CNN finished way ahead of its direct cable news competition in the key demographic for news programming, adults 25-54, with 709,000 viewers from that age range vs. 555,000 on MSNBC and 513,000 on Fox. That’s a 22 percent advantage over MSNBC and 28 percent win over Fox News.

Particularly good considering most liberals get their news online.

I really enjoyed the show, except for the opening monologue/ they've got so much to work with they should leave the rhetoric at the door and stick to what happened. When Cheney took the mic I was happy to FINALLY HEAR PEOPLE ON TV TALK ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED....without all the bs and endless spin.

A bit late, sorry.

We really need to see some movement on Section 3 of the 14th Amendment after the hearings.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

I particularly like that 'aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.' You can do a lot with that wording.

Good luck proving aid and comfort. That seems vague enough to wiggle out of.

Guided tours to domestic terrorists seems to fit the bill.

Especially if there were no regularly scheduled tours that day.

Why was the football at the capitol?

Because one is always with the President and VP.

Because Trump fumbled it at the goal line.