Republicans going full anti-democratic. Want to get rid of one man one vote.

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  1. Ancalagon

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  2. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Don't call 'em Nazis though, it makes them sad inside their tender innocent little candy hearts.
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    And honestly, I wouldn't put it past the current Supreme Court to overturn Reynolds v. Sims and allow it.
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    You have to wonder if Clarence either thinks he's white, or Ginni has him whipped and he loves it so he's going to share the joy with all his fellows.
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  5. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    This is the largest GOP state party IN THE NATION in case anyone wanted to pretend it is just some fringe nutters.
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    What the Texas GOP is trying to do here is infuriating & criminal. It should just be one person one vote on the national federal level too when it comes to Presidential Elections. I know it's probably been said a million times before , but The Powers That Be really should, MUST , completely get rid of the Electoral College once & for all.
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    Use it or lose it. The only way to stop this is by consistently voting for pro-democracy candidates.
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  8. RickDeckard

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    They also adopted officially the stance that the 2020 election was rigged in favour of Biden IIRC.
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  9. Damar

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    Both sides and all that. When you read about the support the independent state legislature doctrine is getting from Republicans it’s hard to miss the grievance culture running through their veins because Donald Trump lost.
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    Rimjob Bob Sue Collini always gets the weenie

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    They're worried that all the Californians moving to Austin are gonna flip Texas blue.
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    Rimjob Bob Sue Collini always gets the weenie

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    The funny thing is mostly those blue dog Dems and Paladin types moving out over muh taxes. That, and they're the only ones with money to move.

    Us progressive are either too poor or too happy with our laws to move out the state, even for a liberal city like Austin.
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    The only reason big city people are so staunchly in favor of "one person, one vote" is that they are confident the results will be in their favor.

    If it were the sparsely populated rural areas that were all blue, we'd be hearing about the unfair inequality of drowning out their voices.
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    Land doesn’t vote, stupid.
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    Rimjob Bob Sue Collini always gets the weenie

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    It doesn't matter how they're distributed. Dem votes are simply more populous. That's why they won all but one presidential popular vote since 1988.
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    Got any sources for that? The fact that things like Gerrymandering are much more common in Red US states runs counter to it.
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    And? Let's look at the ethnic demographic breakdown of the US.
    How would you react to the idea that the US should shift so that votes were weighted so that for every white vote, a Hispanic, Black, Native American, and Asian vote had the same weight? Are you cool with that? Because, while I'm far more in favor of one person equals one vote, I think that a good case can be made that my vote should count as much as my Hispanic neighbor's vote, I'm more than happy to just settle for the whole one person one vote thing. YMMV.
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    "Sparsely populated rural areas" used to be run by slavery.
    The electoral collage and the Senate were to ensure the perpetuation of slavery.
    That's it.
    There's no "clean" reason.
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    Yeah, no. That's a criminal oversimplification. There's a reason for the 3/5ths rule and that's because if one counted slaves as actual people, then some Southern states would have had a population larger than some Northern states. The 3/5ths Compromise was created so that slave states didn't actually have to admit that large segments of their populations were actual humans, while still giving the states that had slaves had populations comparable to Northern areas. For most of its history, Ohio had "sparsely populated rural areas," but it certainly wasn't a slaver state. Meanwhile, New York, with a larger population, had lots of publications that advocated for slavery, even during the Civil War, because they made so much money from the slave states.
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  20. Bailey

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    Silly Tuckerfan, that's because the population density of the area you live in is the most important and distinguishing characteristic of people and should be considered above all else.
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    Are you’re suggesting the thinking and desires of people in rural areas are more important than those of people in urban areas?
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    I think it’s time to workshop your comedy bits somewhere else because ole WF isn’t buying what you’re selling.
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  23. Diacanu

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    When you hear yourself whining about "big city people" then it's time to get a pair of overalls, and start carrying a jug to blow into, and a brick of chewin tobaccy, and a hobo knife to saw off hunks of the tobaccy.
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    Ive basically come to the conclusion that democracy will be over soon. We are basically coming to a time where all will be destroyed and then reborn. What that looks like probably will be small tribes of people throwing stones at each other once the bullets run out.
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  25. We Are Borg

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    Mexico and Canada are probably wishing Trump had built a wall. :sigh:
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    I dont think that would matter anyway. This is a worldwide thing. May have something to do with the sense of overpopulation.
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    Overpopulation is a myth.

    We have plenty of resources to support the population we have now, but they're mostly paywalled by a handful of rich fucks. Plus, I'm sure COVID is doing a lotta work in thinning the herd, especially in the US where we've probably already lost the equivalent of our entire active duty force, either through COVID direct or from lack of resources for other otherwise easily treatable illnesses. :shrug:
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    The issue in the west isn't so much population, it's that we no longer have frontiers to easily exploit and fuel the growth that industrial capitalist society relies on. Partially running out of physical land to move into, partially because we've thankfully moved away from the bloodthirsty conquests of our recent ancestors, and partially because increased globalisation means that any new city will often find it cheaper and easier to import a lot of what they need rather than building things locally.
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    Exactly this. If we eliminated the electoral college, the GOP would lose a significant foothold over federal elections.
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  30. Order2Chaos

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    Let's ignore the constitutionality for a moment; it probably is, as 1P1V has never been applied to executive branch general elections, AFAICT (I think Grey applied to primary elections, and even that ruling said that as long as the county units were proportional to population, they were fine).

    To steelman the other side here, Canada's ridings don't all have the same number of people, or anything even close to it, even in provinces that aren't piddly small, and I don't think there's much disputing that Canada is more democratic than the US these days. Indeed, even provincial executives are all elected by their respective legislative assemblies (realistically, selected by the majority party in each), which themselves are not districted in accordance with 1P1V.

    Furthermore, as described in the platform document, the electoral college districts are equal to the state senatorial districts, which are subject to 1P1V (though obviously also to gerrymandering), so it's not as facially problematic (from a 1P1V POV) as the presidential electoral college.

    So is this inherently bad (and then how do we not condemn Canada?), or is it bad people doing something ordinary to their advantage? Or something else?
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