Good Guy With a Gun

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  1. matthunter

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    Over 200 years of American homes having guns and yet folk STILL GET ROBBED.

    "Deterrent", my hairy buttcheeks.
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  3. Uncle Albert

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    I'm not much for deterrence myself. I prefer more permanent solutions for shitbag coward human predators.
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    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    You can't educate the terribleness out of some people. They are going to do whatever they think they can get away with, while society gives them 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances to victimize people, and you either prepare for the eventuality or you don't.
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    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    That's one really low bar you set for yourself which really comes as no surprise.
    "I'll not see one victim sacrificed in the name of collective outcomes,"
    yet you'll sacrifice hundreds of school kids, hundreds more curious kids in their homes, probably thousands of abused and murdered women, gods only know how many Ahmaud Arberys... oh, and of course justify every shot fired by every cop, ever.

    and then when the evidence is thrown in front of your face you seriously come back with "one is too many"???

    you're making this easy.
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  6. matthunter

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    Sure you do, tough guy.

    How many teardrop tats do ya have?

    Or are you all book depository and no bullet?
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  7. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    Easy because you set your own terms and then congratulate yourself for meeting them. The fact that there are AND WILL ALWAYS BE pieces of shit who hunt soft targets, supports my position.

    And that's before we get to the fantasy of rehabilitation for human predators. So long as society insists on turning such people loose seals the deal for me. Parole armed robbers and decline to prosecute property crimes? Keep involuntary civil commitment off the table and leave borders porous open for rampant trafficking of guns, drugs and humans? Surrender entire sections of major cities to violent criminal dickbags? Fuck you and fuck your diseased notions of "gun control" that do nothing to remove violent people from society. You will NOT simultaneously place innocent people at greater risk AND disarm them.
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    I know you dislike the term “intel” to describe a type - especially in a derogatory manner. But, those are the people who I consider “incels” - if they didn’t rape women or berate them into staying in relationships, they would be involuntarily celibate. And they are they ones who complain loudest about women empowering themselves or demanding to be taken seriously in business and politics.

    It’s why I so don’t understand why you seem to take their side in an argument.

    Either way, I do believe they can be ‘re-educated’. I also know that’s another word you dislike, but I don’t know any other words to describe what needs to happen - except to terminate them and I’d rather try to re-educate them first.
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  9. matthunter

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    I know it's a typo but your partner saying you dislike "intel" has to burn like tabasco on your glans.
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    Yes, its a typo
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    I'll not bother trying to decipher that attempt at scathing wit, so I will just say: I celebrate every attempted rape/robbery/home invasion/etc that ends with the perpetrator shot dead and his intended victims facing no charges.

    Sure, I wish people didn't do heinous shit to each other, but since I'm not allowed to impose any standards for personal conduct on people, I must contend with the world as it actually exists.
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    In what fucking bizzaro realm is me suggesting rapists be shot "taking their side"?
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    ...The Uncle Albert Story.
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    Collective outcomes are just things happening to a lot of individuals.
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    Not today, but in general. You dismiss “pink haired” college women which seems to me to be any young woman protesting ..well, anything. And you take offense at the word intel when placed deservedly so on some asshole’s head.
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    They also happen at the expense of a lot of individuals.
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    Who think they don't OWE anything, but actually do.
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  18. Uncle Albert

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    I mock the purple-haired wage gap enthusiasts because I find them silly. It's petty, but so is ridiculing someone who can't get laid. It's straight out of the go-to list of basic grade school insults for pissy women who wish they could physically harm the man. His appearance, his income, his sexual performance or the lack thereof.
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  19. Diacanu

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    Now sing "Macarthur Park" in sobs and blubbers.
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    Because you say so, and the internet helps you fine tune your rationalizing.
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    And vice versa.
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    Nope. I've understood that members of society have to contribute, but not all the time, in order to receive its benefits.

    I got THAT long before the internet was a thing.

    The ones who DON'T get it are the ones with the most to give back, and useful twats for them like you who likely benefit more from society than most but just RAGE when they see some of their paycheck docked and don't consider how much they get in return.

    If you want that fine-tuning for you, I can fart it in E-minor to a jaunty sea-shanty theme.
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  23. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    DOJ, Harvard, and the OC Rape Crisis Center all seem to be telling me one thing (about your original rape defense example-although there was a lot on the same page about the ineffectiveness for home defense along with the increase in domestic violence escalating into dead women), and you keep saying another...

    sweetheart, I'm playing with your terms here and every single time the research and stats disprove your bullshit. The stats show that the only increased risk to innocents is the presence of guns.

    "Surrender entire sections of...". Holy fuck, are you insane? Talk about diseased notions... delusions, more like.

    We generally have less than 750 murders nationwide a year here with nearly 40million people, and guess where you're most likely to be killed with a gun (accident or purposefully)? It ain't Toronto or Montreal... a lot less of all types of crime, for that matter.
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  24. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    yet you aren't really finding very many examples to celebrate.

    on the other hand, the presence of a gun in a domestic violence situation increases the risk of homicide by 500%

    so, 70 women a month is a fair trade off so you can pretend you're Charles Bronson?
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    Yabut I don't want to witness you spray silver paint onto your lips and teeth while you do something hairbrained.
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    You can only speculate as to my benefit/contribution ratio, and your chosen imaginings will receive all the serious consideration they deserve.
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  27. Uncle Albert

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    Sometimes you succeed, sometimes you don't. Obviously training and practice with a variety of options is indicated, but violence is always a huge gamble, and in a country where law enforcement is explicitly not obligated to protect you even in if they show up in time to be useful, that responsibility falls to the individual.
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  28. Spaceturkey

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    you're willing to sacrifice an average of 70 women a month to spousal murder.
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    Intellectually dishonest claim. Commercial sellers of syringes and other injection equipment have them behind the counter where you need to get a pharmacy employee to get them. Pretending they can just be shoplifted is full of shit pants on fire republican level twattary. Maybe in other countries they just leave the syringes out for any shoplifter to take, but I have never seen them in reach at any pharmacy in the US.

    I would also point out what drug users steal from CVS and other pharmacies is often the makings of meth, OTC trip material, and stuff they can sell for money. It is actually quite difficult to get clean syringes in the US through shoplifting and stealing without an all out assault on the pharmacy.

    I should also note that the common syringe for diabetics sucks ass as an IV injector. I do not know what else they have behind the counter for blood purposes, but the insulin needles I use are way too thin for drugs that are cut with something. You have to find some decent pure product or the cutting agents will plug your regular thin insulin needles. You can do it, but you do not want to blow the load because you are using a needle that is too thin.


    This is yet another form of intellectual dishonesty. Unless you are rich no one is spending days casing your house causing them to not be robbing others while waiting for you to be gone. Your typical house robber looks for easy signs you are not home, and uses others to tell them good times. Consuela the housekeeper is often poor and lives around people who need money, and may need some herself. Gated community security also is not often paid well and knows when people in the neighborhood are out. People advertise their vacations and trips to others and on social media. There are signs people are away here in florida like storm shutters being closed for days.

    No one sits there stalking some middle income house for days trying to get their valuables. A lot of these thefts happen while people are out to dinner. You are being deliberately dishonest and making fallacies because your argument sucks. A gun requires you to be present and willing to kill to work. The thieves are desperate so if they are armed when they come in, and they see your gun, they have a much lower threshold for shooting than a law abiding citizen with more respect for life.

    You really have only thought this through in hero mode. It is a long time before the cops might get there and take a crook off your hands. Even police have trouble holding criminals with just themselves when the criminal is desperate. You are just some guy in the way of that person's freedom. The more time they have to think, the more they will work themselves up to get loose and perhaps kill you. The more time you have the more time you have to fuck up and give them an opportunity. Seriously, go talk to a corrections officer. It is their biggest problem that all the criminals have to do is sit there and wait for an opportunity do do what they are going to do, and all the COs do is have mistakes over time that could be exploited. Those are the guys with all the security and backup. You are just one guy with a gun.


    The gun does not do much at all. When you recognize passion needs to cool because you do stupid violent shit (Human nature) when you are pissed, a gun just puts you in a much more stressful position to fuck up.

    Get out of the way of the desperate cornered animal. That is what most thieves are. They are desperate for whatever reason, and by caging them and cornering them you simply make them worse.

    @Spaceturkey has the proper mindset for harm reduction. This is why stupid people make things more violent. More guns just increases the violence for everyone so fuck gun owners. If you want to reduce people doing harm you have to address the reasons why they cause harm. Large numbers of junkies are functional. The reason they end up being criminals and on the wrong side of society is they are forced into poverty and criminalized so they have no option of positive functionality.

    Many heroin addicts will live in horrible conditions as long as they can do heroin. Other countries have realized that if you gave them clean drugs and needles they can still participate in society as upstanding citizens. That also does not increase use. It actually decreases the popularity of the drug because not everyone likes heroin. What increases heroin use is prescribing opiod painkillers without recognizing some people cannot come off it, and then all they have is the illegal option when the prescription runs out.

    The real problem with drug use is criminal activity and poverty related to the desperation of drugs.

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  30. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    Heh, I missed that one about swiping supplies from the pharmacy... and yeah, those things tend to be inaccessible to customers - less so than the gun they need to hold up the pharmacy, come to think of it. What size are insulin rigs anyway? We usually give out 28-30g, with the main choice being if they want a long or short needle... 'strue though, a lot of users are living pretty otherwise normal lives. got one client shows up every couple of mornings to exchange before biking off to his Bay St job.

    Also, that's another thing that always confuses me with the "castle doctrine" guys. Always a presumption of having initiative as it's "home ground". A burglar can make a pretty good guess of where you are in the house at 3am if they're gutsy enough to break in to an occupied home, and chances are you're going to alert them that you've awoken. That Tueller doctrine they're all on about as well... does such a space exist in most homes (that'd also be at risk)?

    "Hero mode" is a good description of the mental filter here. Notably the circumstances of "defending" their homes are always perfect enough for them to wake up, assess and locate the threat, then somehow sneak up on it like Sam Fisher...