And Then There's This: Walkaway

Wow, all these fools calling liberals Nazis and fascists were the real Nazis and fascists the whole time!

I'm shocked!

SHOCKED I tell ya!

Lanz... You got some spinning to do...

Aged like a fine wine

Why the facepalm, @Lanzman ?

Nothing wrong with being duped, but fucking own up to it.

A valid idea remains a valid idea regardless of the source.

I consider myself pro-choice.

White nationalists are also pro-choice for minorities.

Surely you can see why I wouldn't welcome them into a conversation on abortions rights.

Yes, the source fucking matters. I don't want bad faith actors on my side and neither should you.

So if a virulently racist white nationalist invented a cure for cancer, you'd refuse it because of where it came from? Is that your argument?

Go Paperclip your testicles together.

That's the only response that stupidity deserves.

How timely that I looked at this thread: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/24/politics/brandon-straka-capitol-riot/index.html

Pro-Trump influencer sentenced to three years of probation for his participation in the Capitol riot

Operation: Paperclip comes to mind.

That said, I'm not sure how much useful medical knowledge or cures came out of Dachau or Tuskeegee?

He's the crying Jan 6th jail cell guy from CPAC!

I'm surprised Lanzman hasn't lost all of his money in pyramid schemes or traded his house for magic beans yet.

Ah yes, if only the left could find common ground with the righties that are into violently overturning elections and selling nuclear secrets to foreign governments and just meet them in the middle.

Both sides!

Straka can be a Trumpist loony and still accurately describe the toxicity of the woke left. The two are not mutually exclusive.

"Whether it's Republicans storming the Capitol to murder Mike Pence, or Democrat-hating Communist Redditors being rude to Nazis online, both sides have a toxicity problem."

When you say "both sides," you imply a dualist universe in which 100% of the populace is divided into Team Red and Team Blue. This is false.

What we have actually is two groups of extremists on either side, the Qtard Trumpers and the Wokelords respectively, with the vast majority of normal, moderate people in the middle. Both of those extremist cults are troubling and toxic, Trumpers more in the short term and Wokelords more in the long term.

@14thDoctor

No, what you have is violent extremists supported and encouraged by a major political party on one side, and politically irrelevant Tumblr-style internet assholes on another.

Tell that to the people in cities plagued by rioting, crime, and squatters because Dem leaders are too beholden to wokelords to do anything about it. Tell that to the people losing their jobs and businesses because they uttered something trivial that upset the woke mob.

No, the woke cult is real and having a real affect on people's lives. It's been a more insidious, slower crawl than Trumpism, but it's there.

Why don't you try telling them? Quite a few WF members live in those cities, so let's see if their actual experience lines up with the version of reality being peddled by scared Republicans from Bumblefuck.

Wokeism is largely an invention of the Right Wing media chamber, which is always looking for ways to terrify and enrage it's base. There's plenty of idiocy on the political left, but it is not the defining drive of the Democratic Party. Trumpist lunacy is the defining and driving force of today's Republican party. They are not remotely comparable.

Both sides are pretty bad but one side is on fucking ludicrous speed to become some of the most awful people currently out there

The Dems at least have the caveat that they’re trying to help people. The republicans just want to go scorched earth and fuck over as many people as possible. They have zero ideas about how to advance humanity in a positive manner

Problem is that many of those on the right don't seem to agree with you. Case in point people like FF or Lanz who will start complaining about the loony/delusional left whenever anything like not letting people die because they can't afford healthcare is brought up.

I agree that the Republican Party is far more captured by its loonies than the Dems. And I agree that the Dems are the better party by far (which is why I am a member and consistent voter).

But this goes beyond political parties. Western institutions like media, academia, and big business are far more captured by woke lunacy than they ever will be Trumpism, which they broadly reject.

Does my opinion count, since I am from a top-10 US city?

Whose anecdotes prevail in this proposal, and on what basis?

We certainly agree about the stances of the parties. Where I would get off is the idea that businesses, media, academia are captured by it. What we are looking at is an evolving social dynamic with which no one is really sure how to deal. When I was a kid growing up in the deep south at the height of the Civil Rights movement, there were still remnants of the Jim Crow era like extra bathrooms at the local ballpark where the "Colored" signs over the extra bathrooms were plainly visible under a thin layer of whitewash. The locals in the panhandle resort town I grew up in used to enjoy a good laugh whenever tourists would pull into "Colored Only" beachfront park only to hastily throw their car into reverse when they saw the sign. It took a long time for those reminders to fade. You might even still find them in some places. We're seeing the same kind of messy transition into a new way of looking at social issues like "black face" and "yellow face" and "cultural appropriation" over who can play what roles in movies and tv shows. The opportunities for stupidity are manifold. But unless the questions get asked, we'll never make progress. But that progress will come with mistakes, injustices and, yes, plenty of stupidity. I doubt if my movie "Playbill" will make it to your neck of the woods, but it deals with that very issue and I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop over the way the movie approaches the issue.

Funny you should mention this. Bill Maher was just talking about this the other day. Now there's "Jew Face" and Tom Hanks says that playing a gay man in Philadelphia was wrong. If that movie hadn't have been made, people wouldn't have sympathized with gay people with aids and things would have been a lot worse.

Yes. Please. Tell me. As someone who lives in the Anarchist Jurisdiction of Seattle, tell me about how the city is a bombed out husk.

Explain it to me as me and the kids just spent some of this weekend downtown and we are obviously missing something.