And Then There's This: Walkaway

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  1. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    From? Like originated from one or you actually live in one?
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  2. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    I wonder if I can add this to the smilie list. Because it feels so evergreen.

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  3. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    No he doesn't.
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  4. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    "Hold my beer", huh?
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  5. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Point of order: the "woke" folks want to provide homes for the homeless, conservatives and NIMBY's want to make them criminals.
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  6. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Newsflash: every group has their toxic elements. Even a National Organization of Kitten Petting would have have people starting wank because the kittens being petted weren't sourced from the correct kind of breeders and/or rescues. :shrug:

    Even the most obnoxious Bernie Brat that I have blocked on Tumblr and/or Twitter is far less likely to be a threat to me and mine than the "nice" Republican neighbor that I can have a civil conversation about the weather with.
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  7. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    NIMBYs are especially confusing to me as a Californian, given the issues we have with homelessness. I mean, you have people like Dinner throwing temper tantrums about all the supposed poop piles in downtown areas but will shoot down any housing project that will obstruct their view of the beach.

    And God forbid you bring up mixed income apartments.

    Really wish NIMBYs could pick a lane and stick with it
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  8. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Yeah, many of the areas that "don't have a homeless problem" actually do, they just export it elsewhere.
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  9. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    Bingo
    Toronto's homeless population is at least 75% people from at least other area codes if not provinces.

    Visited my parents out in Brockville last year and stayed at a nearby hotel. There was a guy maybe in his mid 20s crashing in the stairway quite clearly an addict and unhoused... but there're absolutely no supports to even get him fed, let alone back to having a life.

    Fifteen or so years ago, there were half a dozen factories there that, other than the gatekeeping by temp agents and stagnant wages, were pretty easy to get onto. All of them are gone now, either to automation or offshoring, with the cluster of rental housing at the north end of town rapidly devolving into a slum.

    So they come here. Or at least those who are resourceful enough to get here do.

    Housing is a necessity at this latitude.

    If it's a necessity, than it is also a right.
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  10. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    https://twitter.com/lowkeytwits/status/1558867840412811266?s=21&t=BtL3T34Y2FuOr6Cs3PwAzQ
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  11. Shirogayne

    Shirogayne Gay™ Formerly Important

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    Edited for truth :yes:
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  12. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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  13. 14thDoctor

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    Not really. He says he wouldn't do it today because times have changed and authenticity in those roles is more important now, but that him doing it back then helped make his character more sympathetic and less scary, which was important at the time. :async:
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  14. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    As to the woke issue, Rimjob Bob is overstating it in scope and degree, but there are highly problematic aspects of it. Particularly the illiberalism displayed if anyone should dare disagree with one its basic tenets.

    I believe in equality, and I will always fight for that, and that disproportionately means I have to oppose an incredibly toxic and increasingly fascistic right. I certainly spend the vast majority of my comments here directed at defeating them.

    I raise an eyebrow now at equity, because I've run into quite a few people who define it as I get less, and they get more, and that's right and appropriate. Sorry, I disagree.

    Appropriation is simply ridiculous and toxic. No culture is static, cultures become better by learning from each other, and the reason western Europe became ascendant is that it took knowledge from everywhere and combined and integrated it in new ways. Static culture is the death of societies. I can almost see a few elements of 'sacred' aspects of culture, but at the end of the day all religion and spirituality is at best hogwash and at worst an active con, so no, I don't care if you dress up as a sexy nun or wear a headdress or make jokes about circumcision or do a cartoon of Allah.

    And at the end of the day I find the concept of 'white privilege' ultimately damaging. You talk to someone from a factory town in Indiana or a coal mining town in Pennsylvania and scold them for their privilege they are going to think you are from the moon. No, you don't get to be in a special club for having white skin, classism is still alive and well and the 1% are absolutely fine shipping your job to China and making sure you have no social safety net.

    But minority disadvantage is incredibly real, and it's incredibly patronizing that we prefer to call that other than what it is, as if living it is not enough to make minorities feel bad about this country. Yes, police discriminate, systemic racism exists, redlining and credit manipulation are real, the glass ceiling exists, and inner cities are damaged by the lack of tax base that racism has inflicted on the funding of their schools.

    'Real' Americans are often uneducated hicks, and all too often racist, but they also know bullshit when it's being directed at them. Yes, there is a stark parallel between the crack epidemic in the 80s/90s in inner cities and the opioid epidemic of the last twenty years in rural America. It's just the latter was an explicitly LEGAL form of fuckery. It's a shame we are so polarized those two groups don't see how much they have in common. But then, rich fucks spend massive amounts of money in disinformation to ensure that the culture war continues.

    95% of the left's agenda I agree with, and I'm pretty happy with what Biden and the Congressional leaders have managed to achieve with the slimmest of possible margins. I'd prefer UHC, but I know we have a ways to go before we are there politically.

    But if I'm attacked in person or online, it's always someone on the far left doing it. And I have no shits to give left about their opinions. The worst of them are just as vapid as the far right, they just have far less power.
  15. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Yes, times have changed, and it would be wrong for an actor to play make believe in that particular way.

    Of course, it's perfectly fine for a gay actor to play a straight role.

    Which is the difference between equality, and equity.
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    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Fine I’ll jump in.

    First there are a lot more ‘straight’ roles than ‘non-straight’. Limiting non-straights to only openly non-straight roles would be incredibly limiting.
    Whereas the opposite would not be true.

    Secondly non-straights have a lot more experience playing straight than vice versa.
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  17. 14thDoctor

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    Eh, I think it's fine for a gay actor to play a role where the characters sexuality doesn't really come up, but a gay actor playing a role specifically written as unambiguously straight makes me somewhat uncomfortable as well.

    -Neil Patrick Harris gets a pass for playing cartoonishly awful straight womanizers, in exchange for all the straight actors that played campy over the top gay roles.

    -The guy that played Gaston in the live action Beauty and the Beast movie was gay, but the original animated Gaston was inspired by a particular variety of mostly closeted gay men in the first place.

    https://attitude.co.uk/article/disn...-beauty-and-the-beast-director-reveals/13742/
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    You can watch a movie like Juno today and say "this movie stars Elliot Page, a trans man that's sexually attracted to women. He just hadn't figured all of that out for himself at the time. Maybe Juno hadn't figured it out either."

    You can also watch American Beauty and conclude that Kevin Spacey is so unhappy with his life and marriage because he'd rather be single and out there sexually assaulting future starfleet officers. :async:
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  19. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Conversely there are more straight than queer actors.

    And always will have, based on your take. After all, how can a straight actor get experience in a non-straight role in that environment?

    Regardless, I think we both know that it's just as possible for Tom Hanks to play gay as it is Zachary Quinto to play straight.

    It's literally the job description - acting. :D
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  20. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    I wasn’t clear with my second part. I meant that excluding a select few areas of the country most queer kids have to play straight for safety/acceptance reasons.

    Opposite isn’t true.
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    Edited for clarity :(
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    Yeah, exactly. Some elements of society needed friendly safe faces like Tom Hanks to clearly not be scared that someone might perceive them as gay, even in an acting role. Of course, as is usual with this things, I doubt FF even read his quotes before parroting what he'd heard elsewhere.
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  23. Nova

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    The "Woke Left" presented by Straka and his fellow reactionary right grifters doesn't really exist. It's an example of propagandists taking the ravings of like .1% of Twitter and constantly using them as examples of what everyone to the left of Joe Manchin has in mind for "real Americans"

    There are virtually no examples in the last couple of years (or EVER if you don't count civil rights protests) of "radical" left wing people taking to the streets to intimidate a right wing actor into compliance. Basically all they can even point to is some occasional students walking out on an asshole speaker.

    By contrast, reactionary right wing Radicals literally promise violence and then show up heavily armed to intimidate anyone they disapprove of into shutting down for their own safety.

    The "woke left" is a housefly, the reactionary right is a Blackhawk helicopter
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    Rincewiend 21st Century Digital Boy

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    It happened with the tv show Modern Family...
    One half of the gay couple was played by a gay actor and the other half by a straight one...
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  25. We Are Borg

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    I wonder what the root cause of corruption in each political party is... :thinking:
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