UA/Jenee/14th Doc/Diacanu work tangent

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  1. Uncle Albert

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    Yeah, man! I choose :

    WHEN to work
    WHERE to work
    HOW to work
    WHETHER to work.

    I'm like, so oppressed, man! Liberate me from the consequences of my decisions!
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  2. Jenee

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    You can also choose to starve.
  3. Uncle Albert

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    Until someone gets the bright idea to criminalize "depriving society of your productivity" or somesuch.
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    It's almost like your personal experiences aren't universal or something. :chris:
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  5. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    Obviously. And the same goes for anyone who chooses to view the need to work and support themselves as "oppression" or "exploitation."
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  6. Jenee

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    The meme did not in any way imply that working for money was "oppression" or "exploitation". It very adequately stated that

    A) corporations have convinced us (this implies over the course of time - years)
    B.) that not working long hours at a job you hate is better than ... living in a van down by he river.

    They are working overtime attempting to convince the masses this very thing. How many times has someone been shocked and surprised when you stated you would give it all up and go live "van life"? I don't know about you, but EVERYONE* I know has tried to talk me out of it.

    *"Everyone" excludes UA and both my children
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  7. 14thDoctor

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    "Glamourizing the Grind" is a very real phenomenon where poor and working class people are gaslighted into believing that working yourself to death and constantly "hustling" is virtuous and desirable, and not a sign that the economy is unbalanced in a way that benefits shareholders and shafts workers. :async:
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  8. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    Oh shut the fuck up. :rolleyes: As if the concept of getting off your ass and laboring on your own behalf if you don't want to starve was invented alongside currency and capitalism, and not the fundamental nature of existence since before we measured time.

    Fuck's sake. I swear some of you view being completely idle and waiting for the things you need to just fall in your lap is the correct state of affairs that we are failing to achieve. If you don't keep people busy, there will just be more crime and obesity dragging your precious society down.
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  9. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    It implies people are fooled into allowing themselves to be exploited. It insults diligent, hardworking people by suggesting they don't know any better. It's essentially a big bumper sticker for lazy people who convince themselves that insisting the world owes them a living is the enlightened perspective.
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  10. Jenee

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    If that's the way you perceived the meme, I won't argue. but, that's not how I perceived it, nor the reason I posted it.
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  12. 14thDoctor

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    -I like working.

    -I like having a job/career.

    -What I don't like is the last several decades of employers increasing productivity and inflating shareholders profits while employees take home relatively less and less for producing more and more. It's not how things are "supposed" to be, it's not how things are "meant" to be, it's a completely optional squeeze on ordinary people. You can fetishize that sort of manufactured hardship all you want, but not all of us are that naive. Life isn't a video game, going through it on "survival mode" doesn't get you a special trophy at the end. Accepting unnecessary difficulty for the benefit of wealthy strangers isn't a virtue, it's the mark of a sucker. :shrug:
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  13. Jenee

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    When I fist started working at my current employer, the AP (accounts payable) department had about 50 people. Now there's 3, with .. 2 or 3 outsourced IBM workers doing transaction work.

    But, hey, work 80 hours cuz if not you just don't have any pride in your work and are looking for a hand out.
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  14. Uncle Albert

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    Yep, use a meme when you can't rebut. I guess I'm in the thread for it.
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  15. Uncle Albert

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    You are free to start your own business and run it as you see fit, but that might mean personal inconvenience and sacrifice. Much easier to sit on your ass and bitch about how someone else isn't running THEIR business the way YOU would prefer. The modern entitlement mentality in a nutshell. :jayzus:
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    Oh, that is such bullshit. Yes, of course one can ... just start a business and be successful. But, most people do work for others. and, as an employee, I do have every right to bitch about working conditions.

    The fact that you have a weekend is a direct result of people bitching about working conditions.
    The fact that you have vacation and sick days are a direct result of people bitching about working conditions.

    The meme is talking about you. You have been convinced that employers can and should have absolute control over their employees. If you wish to live like that, you go with that. I, on the other hand, will bitch about any and every unreasonable expectation from my employer.
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  17. 14thDoctor

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    Pointing out that the economy used to not be so unbalanced in favour of employers, and that the economy in other thriving first world countries still isn't that unbalanced is "the modern entitlement mentality" now? Saying "hey, maybe it's not right that lots of full-time workers can't support themselves today without government assistance when it wasn't a problem in the 50s" is "the modern entitlement mentality?"

    There's that gaslighting I was talking about, which you've completely fallen for. :async:
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  18. Diacanu

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    Love how UA spits in the face of employees with hard luck sob stories, but de facto assume employers have a hard luck sob story for why they can't have better working conditions, and his knees buckle right under to their tear display.
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  19. Uncle Albert

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    Bull fucking shit. Do not tell me what I've been "convinced" of just because it serves your preferred worldview. Does it even occur to you people that some people might enjoy parts of their job and volunteer for overtime? That busting ass and taking on more responsibility is the preferred path to opportunity? That I see more value in something earned than I do in something awarded to me for existing? Of course not. People who say shit like this expect to show up on day one and derive maximum benefit or they take their ball and go home. I see it all the time, for the one or two days the useless little shits last.

    I get it. It's fashionable to be this smug anti-corporate slactivist that dishonestly portrays everyone who doesn't shit on their employer and whine about having to work every day as a mindless corporate bootlicker. Collaborating online to fine-tune rationalizations until it sounds like subversive guerilla warfare to sit on one's ass and be useless rather than lowering your mighty freedom fighter selves to trading labor for necessities on terms you didn't get to unilaterally dictate. Of course you fearsome revolutionaries will never respond to that directly.

    It's also completely fucking missing the point to reduce the whole interaction to whether or not "Evil Corporation XYZ" is getting over on you by deriving value from your labor. At minimum, it demeans anyone who ever derived satisfaction from building a life on the sweat off their back by suggesting they were just too stupid and ignorant to understand the "superior" ways you all have discovered. That they couldn't possibly have their own reasons which don't fit neatly into your little tackle box of rote memes and bumper stickers.
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  20. Uncle Albert

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    That's you distorting and substituting things to suit your strawman. You're pulling a Spacetard and arrogantly insisting that people who understand the situation will behave exactly as you prescribe. People who are out here making the best of reality rather than sitting on their asses and wailing about utopian fantasies know full well the deck is stacked against them, but they understand that a moment spent at least trying to scratch out a living will always be superior to one wasted idly churning out smug little one-liners to the theme of "only I understand the world and everyone else is a dupe."
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  21. Uncle Albert

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    Links? Evidence? Proof that isn't wholly dependent on your personal brand of beer goggles filling in the gaping chasms in what you consider "reasoning"?

    Right. Eat my ass. :moon:
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  22. Diacanu

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    This is you, but with misplaced rage instead of quiet smugness. :async:

    Don't worry, I'm not mad at you. I've been in relationships before where I was clearly being used, and what made me angriest at the time was other people trying to point it out to me. It really hurts to realize the story of your life isn't the one you've been telling yourself. :(
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    UA seems cranky.
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    sick burn, but really accurate.

    Maybe @Jenee dragged a tooth last night?
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    Well yeah, being caught by the day star tends to redden skin...
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    Especially when you are the pasty white shade of emo Elon like UA is.
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