But There is the Nicolas Meyer Project at 153 Mark 4

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  1. Tuckerfan

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    I am somewhat interested.
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    Surely they should be falling over themselves to do what Meyer wants? Fuck sake.
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  3. Diacanu

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    He was supposed to do a "To Rule In Hell" miniseries on CBSAllAccess/Paramount+.
    That fell through for some reason.
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    "Okay, this is a great pitch, tension and romance and historical consequences and big ideas, it's great, but uh where are the exploding planets?"

    "There are no exploding planets in this."

    "How are you going to tell the audience you're willing to take big risks if you don't blow up a planet? How will you attract a younger audience if you don't prove you aren't one of the old guard by showing no respect for the old premises? We used to have a Vulcan. Everybody loved that, took it for granted, wrote whole stories about what it was like to live there. Now we don't. Pulled right out from under them. That's what pulls people in, is showing no respect for what the last generation liked."

    "Look, I wrote Wrath of Khan, I think I know--"

    "See, that's what I'm talking about. You blew up a planet in that movie, and then you blew up a giant space galaxy cloud or whatever. That's great cinema, that'll get butts in seats. Why don't you add an exploding planet to this, maybe like uhh the blue people's planet, and come back to me."
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    I like TWOK, but it had the benefit of being the first decent TOS movie at a time where people were desperate for any new Trek. If you erased everyone's memories and released it today, the usual suspects would savage it.

    -Killing Spock is a cheap stunt.
    -Khan only gets the upper hand because Kirk is ridiculously incompetent, especially considering he's supposed to be going by the book while training cadets.
    -Magic life creating McGuffin is stupid fantasy stuff and not science.
    -Kirk suddenly has an ex and a secret son we've never seen before? Awful.
    -Khan and Chekov never met during Space Seed! The entire movie is stupid.
    -Khans followers are capable of operating the Reliant perfectly with zero training?
    -Khans followers are a bunch of highly aggressive and intelligent superhumans with a need to conquer and rule over others, but also they follow Khan on his quest for vengeance instead of immediately looking for new worlds to conquer? Bad writing.
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  6. Tuckerfan

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    You know the one thing that nobody ever seems to talk about with TWoK and that makes it unique among all the Trek films (AFAIK, I haven’t seen all of them) is that it’s a study in contrasts. You literally see something happen to Kirk in one scene, and how he handles it, then in the next scene, a nearly identical thing happens to Khan and he reacts in a completely different manner. Honestly, it seems a bit ham-fisted to me in spots, but I’ve never heard anyone discuss that.
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    Oh, and Bones is such a fucking asshole in that movie. I watched it with a TOS virgin and she made me stop during the scene where they're learning about Genesis. "What the fuck is this guy's problem? Kirk and Spock didn't create the Genesis thing, why is he such a dick about it to them? And aren't Kirk and Spock his superiors? Why is the ships doctor part of this classified briefing?"
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    And yet, despite its many flaws, TWOK was still a very entertaining movie.

    I wonder what the lesson is here... :thinking:
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    Oh, and Khan can't imagine fighting in three dimensions? Didn't 20th century Earth have submarines and military planes and ground battles where having the high ground made a difference? :rant:
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    How is Khan even still in charge of his people at the beginning of the movie? Regular humans stopped him from taking over Earth in the 20th century. Regular human Kirk stopped him from taking over the Enterprise in the 23rd century. Why are the rest of the Augments still following this two-time loser? :shrug:
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    Also, they're all the wrong age for the film. Khan's crew in Space Seed was all his age or slightly younger. The crew in TWoK are too young to have been with him on the Botany Bay and too old to have been born on that planet and clearly be in their 20s.
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    Whelp, it looks like it's going to be a podcast.
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  16. 14thDoctor

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    Mariner AND Mr. Peanutbutter? What is this, a crossover episode? :polarslam2:
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    if it does ever end up as a mini-series or movie or whatever, I repeat my previous casting suggestion:
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  18. Nova

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    Maybe they age through their teens faster? The movie opens with Kirk's sweating his 50th birthday so per the "official" bio it's 2283, first season dates to 2266, so 16ish calendar years at most but if there's anything we always do with Trek it's head-canon the odd stuff.