Tyler Perry Talks Diversity Push Concerns

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  1. Steal Your Face

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    He basically calls out affirmative action without actually using those exact words.
    More at the link.
    https://deadline.com/2022/09/tyler-perry-a-jazzmans-blues-toronto-1235114903/

    So what he's saying is that while he agrees with this push for diversity in Hollywood, he's admitting that it is having some negative affects by pushing black people into positions they're not ready for or don't have enough experience while pushing out non-blacks that do have the experience all in the name of inclusion and diversity. This has been the number one criticism of affirmative action and Tyler Perry is pretty much admitting it's true.

    Perry has the money and clout to be able to say something like this, but I have to imagine if he's seeing this, he can't be the only one.
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    I can't believe this still needs to be explained.

    At one time, all college entrance acceptance applications, jobs, loans, preferences went to white men.
    Affirmative action just said "these are population stats -X% white men, X% women, X% African American, etc... Therefore, acceptance to those institutions and jobs and everything else, had to be based on those same stats.

    If your dumb ass cannot get into college because you aren't smarter than those other white men that were accepted, then work harder for next year.

    But that is not the fault of minorities that are now being given those same opportunities.

    If there are any negative affects for white men, ..... keep crying.
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  3. Tererune

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    Yeah, like there are no talentless white hacks making shit movies or in roles they were not ready for.

    They actually have a term for when a shitty white person gets put into a position they are unqualified, unprepared, and not able to do. It is called white privilege. It is so bad the repubhlican party has put them in as president, on SCOTUS, and in congress.

    I am cool with a black person flopping in a acting or directing role. It is not like we have never seen a manos or The Room from white people before. However, when you have a Trump, MTG, Bobert, Ghomert, Commie Barret, Alito, and every white person in cable news you really should not be worried about a bad black performance in acting.

    As for Tyler Perry you made the Madea Franchise. Give me a fucking break with your whining about other black people. If we had more black people Tyler would have competition and be out a job because he is the weakest link.
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  4. Steal Your Face

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    It's not just white men that are affected, it's Asians and Jews.
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    Affirmative action is just as I described it. If someone is missing out on opportunities and it is out of the scope of what I just explained, then it isn't Affirmative Action that is the problem.
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    Steven Speilberg got to direct "1941" "The Terminal" "Hook" "War Of The Worlds" "The BFG" and "TinTin" and keep bouncing back like a gamer with an infinite continues code.

    Penny Marshall did "Big" "A League Of Their Own" "Awakenings" and "Cinderella Man" then "Riding In Cars With Boys" tanked, and her career was pretty much done.

    Wonder what the difference between them was.
    Hmm..
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    Taking the word of Tyler Perry as gospel on this topic might be a little self serving. As the owner of one of the largest movie studios in the country, he's hardly objective on this. Could be a lot of things... such as getting deals that suit him more than aspiring creatives. I think it's ludicrous to assume that no one who might seem a little fresh as far as experience is concerned not get a shot when their skin is black when several white creatives get that shot, fail and continue to get opportunities.

    He can kick rocks with that one.
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    OK... I replied without reading the article. He admits to my example right here:

    So he's concerned about other studios poaching the talent he feels that he discovered/developed. Here's an idea, Tyler... PAY THEM WHAT THEY ARE WORTH!!


    Capitalism is a hell of a drug. :lol:
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    Affirmative action is hurting the otherwise pure meritocracy that is Hollywood. :(
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  10. Demiurge

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    C'mon.

    Spielberg did Sugarland Express. That was his first movie for a studio.

    Then his next nine were Jaws, Close Encounters, 1941, Raiders, ET, Poltergeist, Twilight Zone, the Temple of Doom, and the Color Purple. Yeah, you can write your own ticket after that, and he did. He also did Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan, Jurassic Park, produced and directed an episode Band of Brothers, Minority Report, Amistad, Empire of the Sun, Catch Me If You Can, Munich, Lincoln, Hook, hell he defined Hollywood for a generation.

    One of these things is not like the other, and it had nothing to do with their genitalia. Penny Marshall was a very good director and pioneered a lot of ground. Spielberg is one of the all time greats.

    What's more, Penny didn't get thrown out of a job. She refused work offered to her in the 90s and 2000s because as she said, she doesn't do horror, aliens, or guys in metal suits. She was offered several independent jobs when she wouldn't take the jobs she was offered in Hollywood, but eventually moved on there as well - it didn't pay enough for it to be worth her time. Who says so? Penny Marshall.

    https://www.wmagazine.com/story/penny-marshall-legacy-films

    She did continue to work in Hollywood, but as a producer, and directed for HBO and TV.
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  11. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    As to Tyler Perry, I think his criticism has some validity, and very few people could say so without be blasted. You might not like that, but it's true in the current environment.

    While there is some truth to what he says, the part he leaves out is why it is happening - they can't get experience until they've had the chance to be in those roles.

    Very few directors come out of the gates as geniuses, like Spielberg did. Most need time to develop their craft.

    It's good they get those opportunities, even if there are some growing pains along the way. Both of those things are true at the same time.
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    No one is perfect, and the idea that black people have to be to deserve inclusivity or else it is a waste to include them is overwhelmingly racist. Tyler is obviously saying it for his own reasons which seem to be more about selfishness than allowing others opportunity because it makes him more powerful and more money to keep out black competition. The idea that he is expressing says that to deserve to be included you have to be perfect and do everything the way the white gatekeepers want is exactly what pidgeonholes minorities into stereotypical racial roles that white people decide.

    What he is saying seems to be only the good black people can get a chance, and the judgment of good falls upon a predominantly white manufactured judgment. He3 who shall not be named had to make a very white black family so he could make it into the sitcom world back in my day. They would not have let much aside from the huxtables onto prime time family nights until later when other shows started bringing a more diverse black representation and people liked it. People were not given a chance to be mediocre or even fail because they considered it a waste of an opportunity.

    Perry is having some trouble competing, and perhaps it is because he is beating the madea horse to death and nothing else is breaking as well for him. Obviously other people in the black community are having their moments like Jordan Peele who is kicking his ass with some creative and fun new shit. Now he is mad and saying too much opportunity has allowed lesser people to anger the white producers so the black people should slow down. It sounds like Perry is actually referring to himself as he seems to have been lofted way out of his pay grade prematurely, and he is a one hit pony who's star is fading.
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    Way back when I was young one might have claimed Tom Hanks was way out of his league when he was getting all sorts of critical acclaim with some big hits, and so many people said he did not deserve it when he made a little movie called Joe vs the Volcano. Hanks was not a great actor, he was a TV guy who got lucky. It was a waste to put him in more movies.

    Yes, that Tom Hanks.

    Competition scares on hit wonders and one trick ponies.
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    Tyler Perry is the George Lucas of black creatives, but given how 90 percent+ of the people Perry hires for his projects are black, I'm fairly certain he's not saying what Forever Freshman thinks he is. :garamet:
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    He truly did luck up. As it happened, I went to Sac State where he dropped out of after a year or so after a big director picked him up and they always mention that in the campus tours.

    Meanwhile, Renee Syler is an actual graduate from one of the there programs the school is known for and crickets. :shrug:
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    Wow. I didn't even know he was on Happy Days. Must have been after he jumped the shark cuz I had quit watching after that.
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    Perry's argument seems to be giving creatives big opportunities to develop is not good because they haven't had opportunities to develop...?
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    yeah, several seasons later, judging by the set (post fire).
    I suspect this would've been to promote Hanks' (at the time) current ABC project, Bosom Buddies.


    Interesting factoid: He rode a Triumph for most of the series, despite being set in the hometown of Harley Davidson.
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    Yea, that I knew. My dad rode a Triumph back in the 50s. I never understood why he so related to the Fonz, but hated the show.
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    It’s like all those entry level jobs you got passed over because you don’t have enough experience yet.
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    Perry's assessment that the quality of what is being produced is not at the highest levels is in some cases accurate. My statement clearly indicated that this is part of the learning curve to give opportunities so that can alter over time. Understand?
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    What Tyler Perry is saying is that he doesn't want unqualified Black people to be hired for jobs that they are not ready for. Cool. Neither does anyone else, except those unqualified Black people.

    What he is not saying is what FF wants him to be saying, which is that affirmative action is a big problem because it causes droves of unqualified people to be hired because of their race.

    My challenge to Tyler Perry or FF or anyone would be to point to specific Hollywood types who actually embody the notion of people who were unqualified and yet got jobs because of the diversity push. With Hollywood, there's a tangible product of a film or TV show, so it should be pretty simple to take it from the abstract notion of "there might be unqualified people" to "here are examples of unqualified people actually screwing up."
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    Triumph and Norton were both British brands, while Harley is (was?)based in Milwaukee.

    The two former are best known for light and fast bikes, whereas the latter (since WW2) has become synonymous with big cruisers.

    There are significant ergonomic differences as well. Most notable are the angle a rider sits at (upright vs reclined), and the switched positions of the foot activated controls for shifting gears and the rear brake. On most bikes the shifter and clutch hand lever are both on the left, with the right side having the rear brake foot pedal, front brake hand lever, and throttle (along with a kick starter if it's old enough). You can see where this is going... suddenly the stop foot is the go foot and vice versa and instead of feathering the brake you drop a gear.
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