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  1. Uncle Albert

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  2. Amaris

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    Good. I just kind of figured @14thDoctor would want to focus on that instead of defending the US on its kids in cages. So many Canadian liberals seem heavily invested in defending the honor of the US when it comes to such things, especially against someone who actually lives here and has to deal with the constant bullshit it sprays on the people at the bottom of the hierarchical ladder.

    Seriously, though, good. I read so many articles about what they were finding at those schools, and it's just heartbreaking. I want to see that healed, and indigenous people given justice and recompense.
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  3. Amaris

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    That's not what he said, but what you're assuming he meant. He can make it now as a retroactive act if he wishes. It might make him feel better, but it doesn't change the initial statement.
  4. 14thDoctor

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  5. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    The Soviets committed both cultural and actual genocide, killing millions of Ukrainians. When the Nazis invaded, they like many members of the Soviet block saw the Nazis initially as liberators. That context is very important in understanding why the far right exists (albeit in small numbers) in Ukraine. The Ukrainians suffered for another 50 years under Soviet Occupation. They have every right to hate the Russians. Hell, the current invasion is only the continuation of the one that started in 2014, before Zelensky.

    And Zelensky is a Jew. Somehow I don't think he supports the Azov brigade bringing back the ovens. You'd have to be a real fucking moron to think that.

    Or a Tankie.
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  6. Amaris

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    The left are the antidote to fascism. What Zelenskyy did was remove the antidote to allow the cancer to fester.

    Work on your analogies.

    That's not as ironclad a position as you think it is. Good luck with your Nazis, though. Me, I don't sympathize with Nazis, so I can't agree with your positions, and honestly I find them rather repulsive. Then again, I'm not a capitalist, so I don't protect fascism and call it freedom. Whatever floats your boat though. Hey, Italy's got a new government you might like!
  7. 14thDoctor

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    Sure they are, you're a leftie and it's been hours since you called for a violent revolution to remove the current elected government and install a system you prefer. And days since you insisted that new system had to be overseen by your favourite minority groups because they magically know better than the folks that were democratically elected. :bergman:
  8. Amaris

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    Show the posts, and if you can't, then say you spoke before you thought. Otherwise, quit defending Nazis because you don't like that I remind you of what you could be if you had a spine, and a conscience worth something more than the money it's printed on.
  9. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Remember when she said that the US should emulate the People's Republic of China?

    Sometimes she lets her true feelings slip. LOL.
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  10. Amaris

    Amaris Witch of Winter

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    I mean, you support Nazis. You're kind of nowhere near any kind of authority on anything other than being an enormous tool. You'd make a great cop.
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  11. Uncle Albert

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  12. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Oh, I think I've made my position on your politics quite clear. I think you have brain damage. Clearly something is not right in the way you process information. You are just as much an extremist as the MAGAts.

    I'm not only opposed to fascism, I'm opposed to totalitarianism. So I'm opposed to the fascist takeover of the US, through Christian theocracy. I'm opposed to Russian fascism. I'm opposed to the PRC and North Korea. Not particularly fond of the Saudis or Erdogan, either.

    But I also understand sometime in the real world you have to deal with people you'd perfer not to. The far right in Ukraine is a small percentage, they are of no threat to Ukraine's government. The pro-Russian group obviously is, and Russia is there committing yet another genocide. Zelensky is doing what he has to so his nation survives.

    You distorting objective reality by saying there are large swathes of Nazis in Ukraine is just the exact type of lie that your kind is so at home with.

    I mean, ultimately it's your marching orders. It's Putin's lie, he distributes it to the far left, and they eat it up.

    Just like you spread Rufo's lie that was literally helping kill your own kind.

    Just like you are spreading Miller's lie.

    So once again, either a complete moron (certainly possible) or so unprincipled you'll back the worst evil out there if you think it can help you politically.

    Tell us again how much better you are than Pelosi.
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  13. 14thDoctor

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    You remind me of what I could be like if I never did anything to improve my life in the real world and instead chose to embrace a series of escalating delusions on the internet to make myself feel important and special and meaningful when in reality I'm anything but. :async:






    *Normally I try not to point this out because I get the impression that those delusions are the only thing keeping you from drinking off-brand cleaning products, but you're being really fucking annoying today. :shrug:
  14. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Probably would, but then I'd get in trouble for telling the truth about my coworkers. That's what a great cop should be, no?

    You support the PRC, have said so explicitly, even saying the US should emulate them.

    You support a group that's commiting genocide against an ethnic minority not 50 years ago, not 150 years ago, right now.

    I think there are a few Uighur kids in cages, Amaris.

    You are a shit human being.
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  15. Amaris

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    I have already improved my life, and while it is a constant struggle, it gets better every day as long as I keep trying, and part of that is helping people who have been victims at the hands of countries like yours and mine.
    You don't care about that, though, this is about your needing to heal a wounded ego. It's going to smart a while, best to just let it go and let it heal. Your choice, though. I am aware I'm not part of that particular healing process.

    You support Nazis. Shit has a step up on you.
    You're also incredibly stupid. I mean, I knew you were a fucking idiot partisan, but I didn't know how stupid, so, you know, thanks for the time saver in bringing me up to speed.
    Please don't look up when it starts raining. I'd hate for you to drown.

    I swear, in a few elections you'll vote for Trump when he runs as a Democrat and tell people what he's like and that they just don't understand. You're such an easy mark for these people.

    Please, find a hobby outside of self-humiliation.
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  16. Order2Chaos

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    So you cropped the part of your post that he quoted and called you a liar about - the same part I did - to make it look like he was talking about that? Why would you do that?

    Alternatively, maybe he was calling you a liar about that.

    Other non-cosmetic changes include terminating title 42 deportations of unaccompanied minors entirely as of March 2022.
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  17. Amaris

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    I cropped nothing.

    Anyway, I'm sure you can find a reason why it's okay for the kids to be in cages now, it's all terminology, it's all saying something is so without having to make sure it's so. That's the joy of not having to actually give a damn, you can just believe what you're told, especially if it works out in your favor and makes things seem back to normal, which is something far, far too many people want right now.
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    Then it's pretty damn obvious he was calling you a liar about there being only cosmetic changes. End of story.

    Okay? No. Legally and physically able to be stopped instantly? Also no. Better than before? Yes.
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  19. Amaris

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    Well, I hope I provided plenty of entertainment today. You guys have a good day (I mean it), and please try to learn things outside of what you're told. It's so much better than just being complicit and pretending things are alright when they are not.

    Also, don't bother replying @Demiurge, you're just too happy rolling in that shit, and I want no part of it.
    @14thDoctor, sorry that things have gone so far south for us, but hey, you got to threaten me with both the FBI and NAMBLA, and as a trans person living in the US, I'll never forget it.

    Both of you are free from any responses, which is a nice way of saying I won't be responding to either of you. I try to please people, which is a failing of mine, but I have to learn where to draw lines in order not to be stepped on. I am drawing them.
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  20. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    I really don't. Never claimed to. I said I understand why a country that's faced genocide by this aggressor before and was brutally subjugated by them for almost the entire time period since 1750 has made common cause with those who fight against their domination by that genocidal power - who is currently committing war crimes and stealing their children.

    And you think because of that the appropriate thing is to call out Ukraine.

    Putin is not in Ukraine because he fears Nazis, or even NATO. He's there because they have huge untapped reserves of natural gas, oil, and rare earth minerals. And a warm water port that is the center of Russian policy since Catherine the Great, and why they supported Assad in Syria.

    And oh, look, that happens to be the exact regions he happens to control now - the warm water port and the untapped minerals and fossil fuels. Funny that.

    Lying about these clearly false justifications is supporting the propaganda of an actual facsist power intent on a current genocide.

    But then, you are good with that, aren't you?


    LOL, that's some great 4th grade insults there, genius.

    Let's see what you are on recorded supporting, the country the US should be more like:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelin...iolence-against-uyghur-women/?sh=68e9144c68a5

    Mass detention. Torture. Forced Labor Camps. Brainwashing. Medical Experiments. Organized mass rape and sexual torture. Organ harvesting.

    Not in the distant past. Not in the recent past. Right now. This second.

    Funny how you never call them out.
  21. Amaris

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    I don't expect you to argue in favor of cages at all, which is one of the reasons I find it interesting that you are here. As someone who so values liberty as you do, I'd expect you to be livid about innocent human beings, especially children, being caged at all by our government. These half measures and downplaying the severity of what's going on doesn't suit you.

    Ah well, it's generally a moot point, because so many people are still convinced we're not doing what we're doing. I have nothing to push back against that except what I've said, and clearly it's not nearly enough. At the end of the day, people will believe what they want to believe.

    I mean, if people can literally look at the Nazi insignia and Nazi tattoos on a Ukrainian soldier and say "he's not a Nazi," as some do claim, then what chance do I have of even getting anyone to reconsider? People might change their minds when it's all over, and the full picture becomes clear, but even then they'd just say they didn't know, who could know?

    So, I have to let that go.
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  22. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    You can't respond because there is no viable response for your overt bullshit. Run away. :D
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  23. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    And speaking of overt bullshit, no one is saying that there are no Nazis in Ukraine. The Azov battalion exists. Even it though isn't majority Nazis.

    This is why your brain doesn't work. You see the fact there are indeed a few Nazis, and you point that out, justifying Putin's invasion.

    In the meanwhile, there's overwhelming evidence of mass graves, rapes, torture, and the stealing of children by the Russians, as well as the indiscriminate targeting of Ukrainian civilians.

    Just like there's overwhelming evidence of mass genocide happening in China against the Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities.

    You side with the worst of the worst, and then claim the high ground.

    And notice not a single comment about how that these things are wrong, you just say 'people believe what they are told.'

    No, people believe evidence. Evidence of a couple of soldiers with tattoos is just that, a couple of soldiers with tattoos. Guess what? Russian soldiers have them too.
    https://romea.cz/en/news/world/spea...sian-soldier-with-nazi-symbols-on-his-uniform

    Are the Russians Nazis? Nope. They hate Nazis. They are being forced to support a fascist regime though.

    You would have made a great Holocaust denier. After all, you repeatedly ignore Russian and Chinese genocides, won't even address them.
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    Michelle was on Sesame Street. Not Barak. Although he did record a message for Sesame Street. It seems to be a First Lady thing since the 90s, excluding Melania and Jill Biden. But, Jill still has 2 more years unless Biden is impeached, dies, or otherwise removed from office.
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    That was me making a low-effort joke at Spooky up there talking about the Obama administration as though she wasn't a toddler at the time.
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    You know Amaris is/was John Allen, right? From Starscape? She's in her mid-forties, not that you'd know it from her high-school level understanding of the world.
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    No, I did not. I genuinely thought that was a teenage girl.

    Holy shit. :lol:
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    This is you:

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  29. Amaris

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    Thanks for showing up, once again, after the whole thing has settled down. Your timing is impeccable.
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    Dude lives in a different time zone, don't be shitty about it. :nono:

    And he's not wrong. :async:
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