Cancel Culture Doesn't Exist

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  1. 14thDoctor

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    She doesn't actually give a shit, she's just using the suffering of those people as a prop and a distraction to score points.

    It's like the barely informed Canadian lefties that still screech about reserves not having clean water, they don't know or care that Trudeau is actually making considerable progress on fixing it because they don't actually care.

    https://www.sac-isc.gc.ca/eng/1506514143353/1533317130660
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  2. Rincewiend

    Rincewiend 21st Century Digital Boy

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    Nah, this will go on for a bit and has been going since the last US election...
    Believing Qanon\right wing talking points without question...
    You really are the same right wing J. Allen who started posting in TNZ 20 years ago...
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  3. Amaris

    Amaris Witch of Winter

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    Nope, and your opinion is worth exactly shit on that one.
    See you next time these assholes decide I need to stop being who I am, and you show up late with your really shitty generic meme.
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  4. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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  5. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Put him on ignore, that'll show him.
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  6. Amaris

    Amaris Witch of Winter

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    He's not wrong on this one, though.
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  7. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Federal Farmer and Amaris, allied.

    What were the odds? :P

    Oh, and hon, no one is trying to 'make you stop being who you are.' My god, the histrionics.

    Though pretty funny making that ridiculous accusation in the 'Cancel Culture Doesn't Exist' thread. LOL.

    We are just saying you are obviously completely full of shit. :D
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  8. 14thDoctor

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    It's pretty hilarious watching the guy that whines about "the loony left" allying himself with the looniest leftist on the board, just because she's criticizing Biden.

    Maybe he'll stop pushing the anti-trans misinformation for a while to avoid offending his new bestie. :chris:
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  9. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    It's Molotov-Ribbentrop all over again! :D
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  10. 14thDoctor

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    You've become exactly the sort of hateful, arrogant, religious zealot you used to be against, except instead of the Bible and the 700 Club you're basing your life around the Communist Manifesto and thinly veiled Russian disinformation. :async:
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  11. Amaris

    Amaris Witch of Winter

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    I hear the same thing from Christian fundamentalists, just with the script flipped.
    You're in a cult, @14thDoctor, you and so many others. You don't even know it, because you've lived in it much of your life, and instead of stepping outside and thinking on your own, you embraced it, because it raised you. How could it be wrong? Now, I've escaped from that kind of thinking, which is a way of thinking you find foreign because you don't even know what direction I'm coming from. You think you do, like so many Trumpers who get angry when I deride Trump that they think I like Biden, because your experience is so limited, your brain is so conditioned, that you can't be anything other than you are, but you like it where you are, and I see @Rincewiend and @Demiurge agree with you, because they're too stupid to be anything other than yapping lap dogs to stronger personalities.

    That is the last thing I will say to you, because you don't compare me to a pedophile, given the situation taking place in the US right now against trans people, and expect me to roll with it. As far as I'm concerned, you've staked out your position: "I will recognize you as a person as long as I agree with you," just like @Rincewiend whose acceptance is also conditional, because so many liberals, yourself included, are just fascists beneath the surface. You embrace your country's dealings in blood and war as long as it doesn't affect your life negatively, just as so many US liberals do, also. Liberals and conservatives are so close to each other, and you think there's a wide gap between you, but there isn't. Give it 20 years, you'll be where the GOP is today. It's not because you're exactly the same, but because you follow the same patterns, you answer the same dog whistles, just in different frequencies.

    You call me hateful and arrogant, a religious zealot because you've never had a strong enough conviction in your life to move you to be anything better than you are. It's what you'll always be until you change yourself from the inside. You lay so many things on my back but they're all yours, it's your baggage, and so I don't accept it. To the moderate white man, a man of conviction is an extremist. So your claim that I'm a zealot does not bother me, as a woman of conviction who has dealt with enough shit in her life to look at what is a lie and what is true once you dig beneath the pretty words.

    So go be with your friends. Be a better ally to your trans friend, so they don't think you're just pretending in order to look enlightened enough that you actually care. Because if you'll play that game with me, then you're just another wolf in sheep's clothing, and no trans person should trust you to have their back.

    That's a nice religious coda to your inadequacy.
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  12. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    LOL. That's fucking hilarious. Yes, clearly I'm a yapping lap dog to the stronger personality of @14thDoctor.

    In the meantime, still not a word about Russia or China as they commit genocide and Russia threatens nuclear war.

    It's clearly the fault of democratic liberals in the West.

    I knew all I needed to know about you @Amaris when you reposted a far right Nazi propagandist to attack the guy that was trying to save Transkids from victimization by the Texas Government. And you didn't even withdraw the comment or apologize for the obvious malfeasance and immorality.

    A morally upright person would have been bereft at making such a mistake, no matter their personal circumstances.

    You just doubled down.
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  13. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    It worked on me. I totally respect the trump boy now.
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  14. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Oh my, you have done it again @Amaris . You have made the Biden Bros mad by having an alternate opinion on their lord dark brandon. You did not bow like you have to.

    Remember they are nothing like Q Trumpistas.

    Oh, BTW when the fuck are you going to punch a fucking Nazi? They have marches and conventions all over the US and now canada and europe. Are you ever going to man up and punch a Nazi for lord dark Brandon, or are you all talk and bluster like UA is with the pink haired ladies?
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  15. 14thDoctor

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    I have this coworker that was raised a Jehovah's Witness, but got out as a teenager. She talks about how she "escaped a cult," but today she's an insufferable cypto bro and anti-vaxxer/masker. She might have shrugged off one ideology, but that cultish mindset persists.

    You're doing the same thing. You think just because you shrugged off one ideology now you're an incorruptible free thinker, but you're not. You're just on a different team now.

    @Rincewiend and @Demiurge are my stupid mindless thralls, though. I brainwashed them years ago. That's the only possible reason anyone could agree with me and disagree with you, right? :bergman:
    I didn't compare you to a pedophile, that's your buddy Federal Farmer. What I did say is that you vehemently oppose and misrepresent government policies and procedures that make things more difficult for human traffickers and all sorts of people that wish to prey on children, and that's absolutely correct.
    Remind me when I stopped recognizing you or anyone here as a person? I think you're a sick, shitty, delusional, person, but I still recognize you as a person.
    You talk about being "anti-war" and "anti-nuclear weapons" while Russian troops are doing their best to commit genocide against the Ukrainian people. You want the Ukrainian people to sit down and die quietly so you don't have to worry about bombs falling where you live. You pretend to care about the atrocities committed against aboriginal people in Canada while dismissing the atrocities committed against Ukrainian people because some of them are Nazis. A couple years ago you disagreed with the idea of simply punching a Nazi, now you're fine with Russians invading their homes and tossing them into mass graves. You're a fucking hypocrite.
    Ah, there it is. The delusions I was talking about. You're not some fat boring loser sitting behind a keyboard trying to distract themselves from their shitty disappointing life like the rest of us are, you're a woman of conviction! You're a unique rebel, fighting for a noble cause! You've risen above the lies and the cult the rest of us have fallen for, you're special! :dayton:
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  16. Rincewiend

    Rincewiend 21st Century Digital Boy

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    You jumped from cult to cult, trying to find the one that made you feel nice and where people told you how and what to think...
    You are convinced the stuff they tell you is correct and the people who helped and supported you through the years from when you where a youth priest until you came out as trans are wrong...
    You are the one who burned those bridges and friendships at TBBS, not us...
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  17. StarMan

    StarMan Fresh Meat

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    <clicks TK link>

    Oh, Wordforge.

    Okay I didn't know that Uncle Albert was Enterpriser. I stopped paying attention years ago. I think I missed your best work. Anyway ...

    Amaris you really do like getting in a scrap with an entire BBS don't you. I suppose when everyone is wrong -

    Just remember, we're all going to be dead soon enough and none of this will matter. :)

    <reads thread title>

    Well that's just silly.
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  18. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    WTF sort of stupid FF argument is this? You have an ideology so you have not thought about it? So you are only a free thinker if you have an ideology no one else has? Holy fuck, 1 billion dayton points for that load of bullshit. I think @Amaris has a ideology that matches with her moral and ethical ideals. She is not a christian who believes in jesus and totes around guns and loves money and power over others. When you have an evangelical christian who is a trump supporter they are following a cult they are not thinking about because there are huge contradictions in their following and what they believe. I can see the connection between what Amaris has said while I have known her and the ideology she follows.

    When you do that there is nothing contradictory of you following in a cult of thought. We all follow cults of ideas. The things that make cults wrong are when they are morally and ethically harmful or you are using the cult to pretend you are moral and ethical despite not being so. Just being in a cult is not a bad thing. Don't be a federal fuckup and understand what cults are. Being a Bronie is a cult, but it is morally harmless or even beneficial to some rather than being in a jonestown cult. Ghandi was a cult of personality, and so is trump. One is a horrible bunch of orange scumbags, and the other is the people who like ghandi.
    So says the guy who claims it is a moral imperative to physically assault Nazis and has encouraged people to break laws regarding assault and violence while he never ever would do it himself because he does not have the courage of his convictions, but judges others as shit for not wanting to assault others simply over beliefs. I do not blame people for not breaking the law to assault some edgelord marching as a Nazi who does not have any actual power to wield. I get why you don't do it, but you try to push others to do it much like Trump tries to push his people to do violence while he never would physically fight for his power. It is a load of cowardly craven bullshit to try to incite others to violence you will never do.

    Stop throwing the stones in your glass house.
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  19. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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  20. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Aha! So you admit it!
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  21. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Good news @Amaris, Kissinger now agrees that Ukraine joining NATO would be a just outcome of Russian aggression and war crimes so you can go back to hating them/their opinions.

    https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/status/1615448178156789783
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  22. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    If you think the description is long wait until you listen to the podcast. :lol:

    However it is very much worth your time IMO.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/is-this-democracy/id1652741954?i=1000612321369

    Let’s dive deep into the “cancel culture” moral panic, what it can tell us about U.S. society, culture, and politics, and how it has spread across the “West.” There is no one better equipped to help us do that than Adrian Daub. He is a Professor of Comparative Literature and German Studies at Stanford University, where he specializes in culture and politics of the nineteenth century, as well as questions of gender and sexuality. In the fall of 2022, Adrian published “Cancel Culture Transfer: How a Moral Panic is Gripping the World” – which is currently available in German only, but will be out in English soon; it is by far the most in-depth, most incisive dissection of the “cancel culture” moral panic and its transnational dimensions that anyone has offered to date. In this conversation, we do not spend much time on debunking the idea that there is widespread “cancel culture” – because it’s been debunked so convincingly, so many times. The “cancel culture” narrative diagnoses a national emergency: an acutely dangerous situation in which radical “woke” leftists are succeeding at undermining free speech by imposing an ever-more restrictive culture of censoriousness on the country, with dramatic consequences for anyone who dares to speak up. Our argument is *not* that no one has ever had to face unfair consequences for what they said publicly – but that the evidence for such a worsening national emergency caused by “wokeism” running amok is simply not there. What, then, can we learn from such a rampant moral panic: If we don’t accept the pervasive “cancel culture” discourse as a mere representation of an objectively existing free speech crisis, then how do we explain and interpret its omnipresence and the fact that so many people are fully committed to it at this exact moment? We talk about why the college campus is playing such a crucial role in the “cancel culture” discourse, and in the elite imagination more broadly, and discuss how our own experience as college professors relates to these debates. We grapple with why all this is happening now, with the genealogy of the moral panic, how to situate it in the long tradition of reactionary moral panics, and how it began to crystallize as a distinct phenomenon in the mid-2010s. Then we turn our attention Germany as a case study of how the moral panic has spread internationally. German conservatives are obsessed with the idea of “woke cancel culture” spilling over from the U.S., and they have found willing allies among self-proclaimed moderates and liberals who have propagated the idea that “cancel culture” constitutes an acute threat to liberty and freedom. Across the “West,” the moral panic is, to a significant degree, a creation of the “respectable” center. What can we learn from German “cancel culture” fixation about the role of the U.S. in the imaginary of Germany’s political and cultural elite? How does the transfer of “cancel culture” anecdotes and anxieties across the Atlantic work in practice? Finally, we manage to end on a somewhat hopeful note: Across the “West,” the self-proclaimed defenders of freedom get into trouble as soon as they have to present concrete suggestions of how to fight back against “cancel culture”: Those always turn out to be blatantly illiberal, authoritarian measures, and they uniformly fail to attract majority support.
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    Perhaps this is as good a place as any to report that voters of Meridian, Idaho (part of the Boise metroplex) have voted to keep two incumbent members of the library board who were being challenged by members of the lunatic fringe. It wasn't close...although it's disappointing that the lunatics got as many votes as they did. As usual, free and fair elections show these people for what they are: a very loud, very fringe minority. :brood:
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  24. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    Zimmer is really good and maybe my favorite recent discovery in terms of public intellectuals.
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    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    caught an article the other day about how Six Nations isn't suffering water shortage for lack of quality/cleanliness (they have a treatment plant on rez), but rather two pronged from lacking infrastructure and supply (being that DoFo has been letting Nestle drain the aquifers that supply the Grand River.)
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    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    Really?

    goddamn... IIRC, I got along with that version for a while.
    It even showed signs of intelligence and empathy!!!
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  27. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Woke mob strikes again!

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    Cancel culture is so out of hand that you can’t defend/rationalize Hitler publicly anymore and keep your job as an editorialist for the major regional newspaper. :jayzus:

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    For real though. When your job is to try and express a point of view in a such a way that even those who don’t agree with you ideologically come away better understanding your position and you can’t explain how Lenin was really really bad WITHOUT jumping to ‘worse than Hitler’ then you need to find new line of work not just a new employer.
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  29. Nova

    Nova livin on the edge of the ledge Writer

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    How did I not know this?
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  30. Jenee

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    Isn’t Enterpriser dead?

    I didn’t know him, but from what I’ve heard about him, Uncle Albert definitely isn’t him.
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