Straw Man Mass Shooter Thread

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Steal Your Face, Nov 14, 2022.

  1. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    That’s what happens when you buy votes.
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  2. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Show your work.
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  3. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Student loan debt cancellation that just got struck down.
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  4. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Republicans signing popular legislation = "serving the nation".
    Democrats signing popular legislation = "buying votes".
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  5. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    There was no legislation involved, Biden tried to do it by fiat. That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works.
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  6. The Original Faceman

    The Original Faceman Lasagna Artist

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    The Republican plan of opposing student loan reform was so much more palatable?
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  7. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    trying to find the split in the hair between a "fiat" and an "executive order" in this context?
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  8. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    So the same thing that happened when Republican justices tried buying anti-choice votes by overturning Roe v. Wade?
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  9. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Even if it’s an executive order, Nancy Pelosi even said the president can’t do this without the approval of congress. Guess who holds the purse strings in congress and also guess what chamber republicans just took control of?
  10. The Original Faceman

    The Original Faceman Lasagna Artist

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    That's right. FF holds a purse.
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  11. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Remember when FF was trying recently to argue that Biden should just be able to make big changes by fiat while overruling the usual systems of checks?
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  12. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    I just found it a curious word choice given the association with crypto bros trying to discredit the traditional monetary system as "fiat" currency.
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  13. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    Sure, sure. It's just convenient coincidence that the low-effort "I'm right by default and explaining it is beneath me :dendroica: " option is your favorite by far.
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  14. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    What brilliant chessmaster argument out of FF's face do you think I left behind?
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  15. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    so lessee...

    Fed lays out a bunch of "left" talking points for the purpse of disqualifying them before discussion starts, then proceeds to trot out the same old (constructed) ambiguities of enumerated rights (misrepresented as natural rights, I should add), gets called for it, and Aunti All here comes charging in to cry about how calling those misrepresentations out requires a 500 word rebuttal.

    Talk about lazy and low effort...
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  16. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    :irony:
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  17. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Enumerated rights are the same as enumerated powers, they are specifically mentioned in the constitution. Obviously other rights exist that aren’t specifically mentioned in the constitution, that’s the purpose of the ninth and tenth amendment. It’s up to the people of the respective states to hash that out.
    Someone in NH could proclaim that healthcare is a right. Well, someone in SC may not agree with that. Just because you proclaim something is a right, that doesn’t suddenly make it true.
    Instead of all of these legal battles in court that results in vague definitions from cowardly justices that refuse to make a definitive decision, it’s better if the people of each state to decide for themselves whether they think healthcare is a right. There’s a huge difference between natural rights and a social contract with social safety nets.
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  18. matthunter

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    "Natural right" to own a tool.

    Nature didn't give you guns. Or militias.
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  19. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    yeah, I'm not sure that works unless you wanna start arguing for the second to mean the gov't owes you a gun, and that every citizen is guaranteed a comparable supply of ammo.

    on the other hand, self preservation is the basis of a natural right, while a duty to render aid is pretty much a universal constant.
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  20. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    A natural right to defend yourself.
  21. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    A natural right to Charleston Chew.
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  22. Bickendan

    Bickendan Custom Title Administrator Faceless Mook Writer

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    what if I want Chattanooga Choo Choo instead
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  23. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    sorry not in the constitution, get fucked
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  24. Bickendan

    Bickendan Custom Title Administrator Faceless Mook Writer

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    and that's how I met your mother
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  25. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Fair, no-one knows when they might need the ability to quickly take down 20-30 people in self defence.
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