CRT tangent from political meme thread and Cis tangent from Musk thread

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  1. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    sheesh...

    you do understand that in the other 95% of the world nobody gives a fuck about Hunter Biden.

    ever consider that it's possible for Bill to be a "liberal" and "right leaning"? Especially on a variety of subjects? The rest of that is kinda straw, TBH, if not flat out hyperbolic. "undying fidelity to Fauci"? Your credibility just sank 5 notches.
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  2. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    The 1619 project is what they are using. We've been over this. They'll never have a textbook that says Critical Race Theory on it, they disguise it. They don't want to teach real history like they say they do, they want to push an agenda, a narrative. Respected historians like Gordon S. Wood have pushed back on this.

    These people don't want to teach history. You know how I know this? People are still taught that Lincoln freed the slaves, he didn't, and that the civil war was fought solely over slavery, it wasn't. If you want to teach real history, then let's do that, but it's going to make a lot of people on both sides uncomfortable and I don't think liberals pushing this crap have the stomach for it.
  3. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Sure there's snark in there, big whoop.
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    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Speaking of real history and your ongoing strong opinions on CRT, how goes your research into the history of subjects like redlining?
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  5. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Wait a minute, a liberal who leans right? Wouldn't that be a libertarian?
  6. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    I've already answered this.
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  8. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    dude, that's not snark... that's a super over blown false statement.

    what you call CRT tends to actually be real history, once you look past "Lincoln freed the slaves". Again though, you're using a vague and misleading statement. Sure, kids in grade 5 might get taught that, as it's the most significant thing a ten year old can wrap their head around. Grade ten though, yeah, why not teach them about bleeding kansas, or the secession/sedition, or that Lincoln didn't really give a flying fuck one way or the other until it was beneficial the US catch up with the rest of the world?

    ANd then yeah, by senior year maybe teach'em about Jim Crow, and whitewashing (happy slaves guide the ox while Mel Gibson pushes the plough on his plantation), and the noble cause, and how 95% of memorials to the seditious traitors of the CSA went up in the 20th century and why, and you get the idea.


    How is any of this a CRT agenda/propaganda rather than history?
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  9. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    no.

    why would it be?

    nor would it be a conservative who leans left.

    Trump is kinda libertarian though... rules don't apply because he said so AND he's very wealthy. you know.
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  10. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    None of what you described is propaganda. The 1619 project is and that's what they're trying to inject into the classroom. Like they pushed for Howard Zinn's History of the United States. Now I'm all for using books that aren't your traditional history book written by a historian, but maybe wait until college for that.
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    Yes, in that you said that you believe it's a real thing however there was nothing on if you'd actually looked into details of it and other similar things, or if indeed you were just lying in your answer (as you have since admitted you do).

    However since you are now today giving out lectures on real history and the inaccuracy of what you see as CRT studies it surely follows that you have in fact done more research to fill in the large self-admitted gaps in your knowledge before doing so.
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    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    I also think it's worth calling Joe Biden to testify before Congress for 11 hours because Twitter took down some dick pics of Hunter Biden.
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  13. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    That doesn't explain why the FBI went to Facebook and warned them that something was coming down the pike.
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  14. Spaceturkey

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    whitewashing slavery isn't propaganda?

    when the hell were "they" pushing for Zinn at a high school level? and as a primary text or something for an advanced senior class?

    If it actually is true, what is the problem with exposing 17-18 year olds to a critical history like that?
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    @Lt. Mewa would be proud. You've got Duck and Dodge down pat.
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  16. Steal Your Face

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    Funny how anything that might hurt Trump like the Jussie Smolett story, the Nick Sandman story, Kyle Rittenhouse story and the NASCAR noose story didn't need this rigorpous verification process.
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    I've read A People's History of the United States. Have you?

    If so, care to tell us what's inaccurate about it?
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  20. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Who said anything about whitewashing history? All of the things you brought up in your post, we learned all of that in school. In the first state to secede I might add. In fact, it was bashed over our heads that we were the bad guys. No mention of the Southern blockade or the free trade zone established or any question of why. No mention of Lincoln shutting down 300 newspapers or a discussion of why that would be. No mention of the suspension of habeas corpus either.

    There's been a push for getting Zinn in the classroom for at least since the early 2000s.
  21. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Yeah that's right, you know there's a double standard, but you won't admit it because you have one too.
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  22. 14thDoctor

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    Which of the stories you mentioned was hyped up by one presidential campaign as an "October surprise," and was based on information that only one newspaper was allowed to analyze and review before reporting on it because major networks that should have loved a narrative like that had already passed on the story? :chris:
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  23. Spaceturkey

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    so, 1619 is "CRT Propaganda", apparently.

    Honestly I don't know much about it because, well, I'm not American.

    Decided I'd take a look jsut now.

    okay, so here they tell us their purpose and clarify where the focus/perspective is. I don't think this is particularly insidious or blatant as propaganda tends to be.


    Hardly anything untrue about this. Although it does speak to my earlier point about the whitewashing of the slavery as a benign thing in actual propaganda in films like "The Patriot" or "GWtW".



    Of course, we already know that the 20th century memorials to the war of sedition were put in place as a matter of social control and passive segregation.
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  24. Spaceturkey

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    sigh,

    you actually did with the elementary school version of how the CW is taught by implying it was high school history. Then confirmed my perception by stating that "we learned all that in school"). You KNEW you were misrepresenting.

    again... adding Zinn to the curriculum is only a big deal if it supplants the curriculum. Much as how the current one has proven problematic for it's omissions. (Isn't there some issue about how one Texas based publisher is responsible for something like 80% of the school texts in the US? And that their versions of history are, umm, superficial?).
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    Don't feel exasperated. You are discussing things with @Bill Carson who is a noted CHUD. This is what american CHUDs do. This is what intellectual dishonesty is all about. You start discussing some topic and if you in any way bring up reality they resort to goal post shifting, lies, and then blame you when you call them out on their obvious bullshit because you are the agressor for not automatically accepting their fentasy as proof that they are always right and the best.

    It is not you, it is them. They are the abuser. Despite their crying you did nothing wrong. They are merely using everything they can to bully you into just giving up and saying they are right because you get tired of dealing with them.

    Federal fuckup was never here to learn anything or be your friend. His only purpose here is to own the libs. Thank you stormfront and Trumpland republicans for your mindless bots.
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  26. Spaceturkey

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    creating invoices/saving the receipts for when he matures ;)
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    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    OK, but I am pretty sure CHUD is his final form. Just don't hurt yourself because CHUDs can drain the sanity from you worse than a screaming child.
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  28. Steal Your Face

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    You’re right about the Texas based publisher. It’s a problem. It’s almost as if we don’t need a one sized fit all approach to education and each state/ school district should decide for itself what curriculum they want. State’s rights is what I’d call that.
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  29. Diacanu

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    Yeah, let's have Idaho teach flat Earth, and Iowa make C-4 in chemistry, and Indiana have an all kazoo marching band.
    Sure will make the news entertaining.
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  30. Tererune

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    Or we could have some sort of common standards at the core of everything so if you moved states you wouldn't miss things. We could call it something like common core so it would be socialism!!!!!!!!!!!

    That is how that progresses when you have one party that demonizes knowledge and learning.
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