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Discussion in 'Media Central' started by 14thDoctor, Jul 24, 2021.

  1. ed629

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    Update on the Enterprise D buildup. A company De Agostini Collectibles has picked up the inventory that wasn't shipped. If you've already started you can pick up where you were left off. You can also start from the beginning as well. This morning my news feed had an article on it, and I signed up to receive notification when I can start ordering the kids again. From what can tell, the price will be the same as it was fron Eaglemoss
    The article I read this morning.

    Article on Trek Movie.
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    "The Battleground"

    (I used to own the Patton soundtrack :blush:)




    I don't recall hearing it in TWOK but I'll definitely listen for it the next time I watch it.
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    Tuck may have been into the sauce a bit last night, because the "high-pitched notes" during the Mutara Nebula scene in TWOK don't sound like the ones from the Patton soundtrack, although I can see why they might have triggered some familiarity.

    That being said, I've already posted about the outright soundtrack theft for TWOK.
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  4. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    And there's no roofie-rape reference in "Heavy Metal".
    Sorry, Tuck.
  5. Tuckerfan

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    I didn't say that they were exactly alike, merely that they were echoes of one another. A nod, if you will, to something that you wanted to invoke a reminder of.

    Usually, a director will prepare a "temp track" of music for a film that he slaps on a version of the film he gives to the composer. This gives the composer the kind of feel that the soundtrack is supposed to have. I don't know if Meyer did that for Horner or not, but I do know that Meyer gave Horner instructions that he didn't want anything like a military march for the battles and nebula sequence as he felt that it was too cliche. (A wise choice, I think.) So, if you want to give a scene a military feel, without using bog standard military-style music, how do you do it? Well, one way would be to give a nod to music that has an association to military themes because of how it was used in the past. Not saying that this is what happened, it could have all been unconscious or purely a coincidence. But given how good of a composer Horner was, and the fact that Jerry Goldsmith was one of the biggest names in movie soundtracks at the time, I think it was probably deliberate.
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    There's a full stop-motion version of Jurassic Park that they shot before they ever did the movie to give everyone an idea of what it should look like. Clips of it have surfaced from time to time, and I'd much rather watch the full version of that than the actual movie. Never thought I'd say the same about TWoK, but this has me wanting to see a full version.

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    For all the complaining about TNG, it explored some interesting areas, especially with Data. I am watching Birthright part 1 right now. This is the crossover 2 parter where Data gets zapped by a delta quadrant device and started his dreaming and visions. At the time I saw it in my late teens the ideas of exploration of spirituality and the universe were really interesting, and without forcing a direction it presented ideas.
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  11. tafkats

    tafkats scream not working because space make deaf Moderator

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    I just started watching Scandal (because of Joshua Malina's West Wing rewatch podcast) and '90s-era Trek names keep popping up.

    Brad Yacobian is a unit production manager, the same role he had on TNG, VOY and ENT. Roxann Dawson is a supervising producer and director. Merri Howard (also TNG/VOY/ENT) is co-executive producer.
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  13. Diacanu

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    "By Any Other Name"
    I'm convinced Species 10-C are the Kelvins in their true form.
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    "We don't want to go into the nebula, sir!"

    "Haven't you paid attention? Of course we want to go into the nebula! Sauce for the goose, Mr. Saavik, er, I mean, unnamed Trill!"
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    I’ve got your Hollywood pissing all over your childhood, for ya. I’m scrolling through FB and I see this

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    That lame ass motherfucker was on TNG? As a Klingon, no less. I know it was the second season, but still! John Tesh as Klingon???? That shit deserves to get shit on.
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    Love Wins™ :aw:

    But yeah, Old Trek was just....so awkward in its horniness most of the time.
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    That look she gives when she is going to fuck your brains out.
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  18. Steal Your Face

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    “For the Uniform” Good episode, but Starfleet approved? I highly doubt it. Obviously Sisko broke the rules about as much as Picard, but this one stretches reality. Of course “in the Pale Moon Liight” warrants a court martial,but is off the record.
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  19. Tuckerfan

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    Interesting. The music in the ad from the Happy Meal promotion sounds a lot like the TNG theme, which wouldn't be written for about 9 more years.

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  20. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Um, it is also the TMP theme, so...
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  21. Tuckerfan

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    I haven't watched TMP in ~10 years, and I've only seen it once or twice before that, so it's not really something stuck in my memory. IIRC, the Starlog interview with the guy who wrote the TNG theme said that there wasn't any pressure on him to do nods to previous Trek themes, and I always assumed that this meant the theme didn't share any significant musical elements with previous themes or music.
  22. Diacanu

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    It's lifted note for note, if not a flat out recording.
    So...unless the interview is with Jerry Goldsmith, someone's a big fat liar, liar, pants on fire.
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    Back in the early 90s I remember seeing TMP for the first time in a very long time (probably only my second or maybe third viewing) and being surprised that it used the same theme as TNG. :lol:

    I don't think it's the exact same recording because the two performances sound different to me (to my ear TMP sounds thinner and not as full as the TV version), but the TNG orchestra had to have used the same sheet music.
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  24. Tuckerfan

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    When I was in college, most of my friends were in Recording Industry Management (think record producers, and audio engineers, produced by a school located 40 miles from Nashvegas, and lacking certain accreditation certifications because the university President, at the time, didn't think they needed the money to expand the school facilities, like the library, in order to get accreditation) and we had, in 1988, the same mixing gear used for TNG. We also had gear that probably dated from when TOS was made.

    One of my buddies in the program would get me to hang out and be the gopher when he was doing recordings for class. When we started out, we were limited to using the old equipment, and aside from the temperamental issues one expects from old analog electronics, the engineering quality of the recordings was on par with anything you'd expect from a commercial source. (IOW, if someone asked you if the stuff was recorded in a professional facility or someone's house, you'd pick the former.) Then, a year or two in, my friend got access to the new studio with the TNG-style gear. He also discovered a particular mic. Neumann U87 (it was sold under a variety of names, and there's a lot of knockoffs of that mic). Turns out that it was really popular for recording music for a long period of time. To my ears, it sounds like absolute shite. No different than the Peavy PA system that my high school had (and we were poor, my graduating class was 56 people). My friend? He loved the sound quality of the mic for some reason (audiophiles believe some of the dumbest bullshit out there). So, anything and everything that he recorded, if he had the cash to rent the mic for the session, that's what he was using. Since he was now using the new studio with the fancy gear, the initial assumption was that because of some weirdness caused by the differences between the recording spaces, that was why things sounded so different to me.

    Then, my friend played me something that he'd recorded with the old gear, but with the Neumann mic, instead of the mics that came with the facility where the old gear was. It sounded just as shitty to me. That's when we figured out that I was hearing the mic in a way that most people don't. For about 30 years now, my friend (and others who were also in the program) have tested my hearing on that mic. My record is a 100% success rate in detecting what was recorded by that mic, regardless of if it was done by one of my friends in our college recording studio, or tracks put out by internationally recognized artists. So, it's possible that the original was recorded with Neumann-style mics and you're picking up artifacting created by those mics.
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  27. Diacanu

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    Funny, those little season 1-2 two-seater shuttles are actually teenier than the shuttlepods on ENT.
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    Reason #1,473 why it's best to just to ignore ENT. It never happened.
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    I'm sorry, sir. That is an egregious lapse in memory. All your Star Trek nerd credentials are hereby revoked.

    Please turn in your comm badge and plastic Vulcan ears.
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  30. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    I find myself doing that more and more whenever I catch a TOS episode... they all need to be framed with 90 year old Shatner bookending them like the Indiana Jones chronicles thus excusing the hamfisted story telling (among other things)
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