Star Trek: Picard.

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  1. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    So much bad, so little time...
    So the Borg are mysteriously reduced to like one cube and cannibalism for survival. Don't they know how to build replicators and other tech that would lead to them being able to maintain a level beyond mere survival?

    The goal of the Borg has changed from assimilating useful biological and technological material to exterminating people...because reasons?

    We still don't get any explanation of how there was the Borg/rogue Changeling alliance. Such an alliance makes little sense on the face of it given the original characterization of these species. The Borg want to assimilate everything (or in the case of this version, just want to kill all things, I guess). The Changelings want to eliminate solids and to form a new Great Link. Aren't the Borg solids? Don't the Changelings realize that the Borg's agenda does not really include an independent future for them? Are they fine with being either exterminated or assimilated as long as the Federation goes down too?

    When did the Borg Cube get to Jupiter? They talked about there being a transwarp conduit that led it there, so presumably after Jack was assimilated. Did it transwarp there prior to flipping all the 25-and-younger folks? Or after? If before, it seems like there should have been some Sol defenses that would have reacted to its presence. Isn't there a whole shipbuilding station there that should have spotted them and done something about it? If it's after, then how was the signal sent that flipped the youngsters into Borg?

    OK, so the Cube has the beacon that flips all these youngsters into Borg at the center of it. How the heck is the beacon in a place that is big enough for the Ent-D to fly to it? Why aren't more things deployed to defend it? Yes, it is a longshot for the D to get to it, hit it with the native defenses of the cube, but how do the roughly gazillion ships nearby not make the .00001 percent chance to an actual zero percent chance?

    How is it that none of the nearby galactic powers like the Klingons seeing that the Borg have taken over this big Frontier Day celebration, or if they have, why aren't they doing something?

    Using the John Cena "You can't see me!" approach for why the Titan couldn't be re-taken over is beyond ridiculous.

    As is the notion that they don't program the transport phasers to beam the Borg into the brig, or to keep them locked in the transport buffer.

    I hate that Picard has gotten over Beverly withholding information about Jack AND cutting off the rest of the TNG crew for 20 years.

    How can Picard just jack himself into the Borg collective consciousness? Why doesn't the Queen just boot him out? Drones physically destroy him? Anything?

    So to fastforward, Jack decides to just abandon the Borg Collective thanks to memories of basically random nice moments with Papa Picard in the last few days. That's supposed to be enough to get him to abandon feeling welcomed after a lifetime of loneliness? And he doesn't first tell the neo-Borg to stand down or anything?

    So our heroes save the day. But don't we gloss over what all happened here? I mean, there have to be tens of thousands of 26+yo Starfleet officers who were murdered, and who can't be replaced? Shouldn't all of young Starfleet and the Federation be traumatized by what just happened?

    And shouldn't Jack be the opposite of fast-tracked through Starfleet? Even as a nepo-baby, he voluntarily gave himself up to the Borg and caused what must be the biggest tragedy in Starfleet history. Unlike JLP, he had fair warning that the Borg were looking for him, and the ability to conceal himself from them. He opted to give himself up to the Borg for answers, knowing exactly how threatening they were and that whatever they might want from him, it's not going to be good. In fact, he went out of his way to do so. He's basically the biggest mass murderer in Federation history. And even putting his latest actions aside for some reason, didn't he still have a bunch of warrants out for him beforehand and stuff?
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    So, are they gonna stick the landing, or face plant? Place your bets!

  3. 14thDoctor

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    So many complaints. It's just a fuckin' tv show, man. :borg:
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  4. ed629

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    Not going to edit the quote. But yes, that was Walter Koenig.
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  5. Steal Your Face

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  6. Diacanu

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    Terry Matalas said there were other cameos he wanted, but couldn't get.


    As to why he couldn't pull it off..

    “These are all things that … they’re all in the first script, and then your line producer says ‘Are you out of your f—in’ mind? You can’t afford these things. You are not ‘Avengers: Endgame’. So they got to go away. And so those are our regrets. But I’m very happy with what we were able to pull off.”

    https://www.darkhorizons.com/picard-showrunner-talks-those-cameos/
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  7. Steal Your Face

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    He could have kept Ro alive.
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  8. 14thDoctor

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    They could have filmed a viewscreen scene with Ro at the same time they filmed her in-person appearance.

    Harry Kim has literally nothing else going on, he shows up at conventions and just hangs out all day.

    They should have thrown all the money at Soji, Data not getting to meet any of the other synths onscreen was such a wasted opportunity.
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    Yeah, that made no sense. Assimilate a primitive world as a quick snack if you're that desperate.
    I wasn't sure the fleet formation technology could get any stupider, but then it turns out the whole thing requires line of sight communication to work. Like wouldn't that sort of remote coordination be most useful for instances when ships can't directly see each other, like if you need a whole fleet sweeping a big soupy nebula?
    I'll chalk that up to thinking he was about to die and temporarily putting it aside. Hopefully he screamed at her a lot over that skipped year.
    It would have been hilarious if he'd just stabbed himself in the neck with a random cable and bled out right there. And the Queen's just like ".... what ya doin' there, bud?"
    We saw how traumatized he was hearing Picard say that Starfleet was all the family he needed, and he did storm off and join the collective only after Picard started treating him like a threat. I could see him being that irrationally desperate for fatherly affection.
    The one year time skip takes care of some of that. It would make more sense for them to place the Starfleet Academy show in this era now. The announcement said they'd lowered the minimum entry age for the first time in a century, it would make sense if they did that because so many young officers resigned after this.
    I would guess there was a general amnesty for anyone that acted while under the influence of the collective, and that also covered Jack. Arguably he wasn't in his right mind with his Borged up DNA and the Queen whispering in his head for who knows how long.

    I don't necessarily buy it myself, but if Picard, Crusher, and Seven all told Starfleet the same thing, I'm sure they'd believe them.
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    So now the Enterprise G is the same Titan from Lower Decks, which was refitted and retrofitted before getting renamed, with some nacelle parts so outdated that only a dead guy knew how to work on them? At least Dayton finally got his wish. :dayton:
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  11. Nova

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    I'm already ready for a supercut of all the wonderful Worf dialogue from this season. If they did nothing else right, Worf was uniformly a delight.
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  12. Steal Your Face

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    Despite the problems with this season, TATV still remains the worst series finale of all Star Trek. We’ll see what Discovery shits out.
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  13. Steal Your Face

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    This last episode is Dayton’s wet dream.
  14. Nova

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    About the set-up for a potential....Legacy.

    I love Seven, Liked Jack despite having a weird plot-line, Like Geordi's kid, I'm...OK with Rafi (though I have reservations about your ex(?)-lover being your first officer) but overall I'm just....meh. Losing Shaw was a big downgrade to the idea. Also not really any reason to change the name of the ship.
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    If they go forward with that they really ought to look at bringing Soji in as the science officer or something, I'd like to see them do more with the character.
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  15. Nova

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    While I'd argue there are roughly a season's worth of keepable episodes scattered over the first two seasons (the whole Xindi thing has to basically be taken or abandoned as a unit, even though there were a few pretty good episodes in S3), if you defined Enterprise as the third episode of S4 through the penultimate episode of S4 you'd have found memories

    Basically about 40-45 episodes in all out of twice that many actually broadcast.

    It's just the TCW bullshit and the Xindi season just dominate everything else.
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    Oh yeah, Jack is "special advisor to the Captain?" I'm getting shades of Naomi Wildman acting as "Captains assistant." :bergman:

    And I'm fine with Q trying to pal around with Jack since Mariner stopped giving him the time of day, but my understanding was always that "the trial never ends," which applied to humanity in general and covered almost every Q appearance, while Q and Picard had their own separate bromance happening at the same time, which led to Q helping as much as possible during All Good Things.

    And after her experience working under Picard and all the intelligence work she's done, Raffi probably deserves either her own captaincy, or to take Commodore Oh's old job as head of Starfleet intelligence. They probably should have offered her that after the end of the first season, since she realized the Romulans were up to something years before anyone else put it together.
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  17. Nova

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    I think my overall perception of Picard has been meh because TNG was never "my" Trek.
    My heart is in TOS (and the colors my adoration of SNW) and DS9 and if anyone (other than Worf) showed up in relation to, say, this Legacy idea, I'd be very invested for good or ill.

    But I don't really get the warm fuzzies about literally anything related to TNG (including their take on Worf) - it's Star Trek, it's fine, there were some classic episodes, but I neither give soft grades because of nostalgia nor am I horribly disappointed by mediocrity because that's basically how i think of TNG. It was...fine. Likewise Picard was... fine.
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    You know what would have been better than changelings? Rogue synths that learned how to alter their appearances at will.

    -The Federation absolutely fucked them for years
    -The Federation is still probably shitting all over their rights like they tried doing with Data
    -They've got a reason to find the Borg's sales pitch enticing (it's an egalitarian paradise)
    -The Borg Queen tried turning Data before, so it tracks with her M.O.
    -It would tie in to season 1
    -If they wanted to make it topical, say the Federation outlawed the appearance changing technology. "We're still learning who we are, and now the government says we can't do anything to help our bodies to match our identities? Fuck that."
    -It would be easy enough to clear them off the board once Data comes back makes a speech convincing them all to stand down, because he's their Moses or something.
    -Angry gold chicks really do it for me.

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    "And I'll make it a threesome."
    "Do you even hear yourself?" coming from Riker :rofl:
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    Ok, I might be jaded from playing Final Fantasy XIV, but that ending really annoys me.
    "Oh look, everything turned out well, here's a happy ever after!"
    No, fuck that. Set up a hopeful ending, but there are fucking consequences that the patch content's main story quest would explore before the next expansion came out.
    Setting aside from the train wreck that started last episode carrying forth into this one, I can see the Ent-D command crew getting a pardon, as well as Seven getting that promotion as depicted. The Ten Forward scene, good for nostalgic closing, sure.

    But the Titan-A getting switched to the Ent-G, Seven, Raffi, and Jack assigned to the same crew (to say nothing of Jack's fast track)... :brood:
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    Kirk getting handed the keys to the ENT-A for disobeying orders. :diacanu:
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    Just watched it. The writing was terrible again but I can't really complain that much when I have so many goosebumps.
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    Wow. That's some high level bullshit right there. Garrett Wang was probably not aware he was supposed to disclose to you his whereabouts every minute of the day.
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    Presumably you know something most don't, but his Wiipedia profile doesn't show him doing much work acting post-Voyager.

    Either way, one expects he'd still have needed to be paid properly for a cameo of course.
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    That's so not the point. Just because fans wish to see him onscreen, he is under no obligation to do so.
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    He probably turned it down because Kim *still* hadn't gotten a promotion :no:
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    He's captain of the Rhode Island. :bailey:
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    In an alternate timeline.
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    Which is now an alternate timeline, unless they're gonna come up with a reason the Enterprise-F is back in 2409 after being decommissioned in PIC and the E-G being given to Seven.

    And Seven being back in STO to being a Fenris Ranger with her S1 PIC appearance, only a few missions after she was a consultant to Starfleet with her old VOY appearance.