Fuck you Canada! [Canada is on fire thread]

Thank you for this perfect example of conservative media brain rot.

If your Free Beacon article had actually contained facts (like that the fire jumped out of the prescribed zone when winds changed and burned A WHOPPING THREE HECTARES (0.0116 square miles) and was contained that day (11 days ago) you wouldn’t look like such an idiot for suggesting it was the cause of two provinces and a state to be covered in smoke.

But it didn’t. It had almost no facts, just women hate, which is exactly what your kind want in your ‘news’.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/loca...ff-cause-prescribed-burn-to-go-out-of-control

Also if you weren’t such a suburban pussy and had done any real work you’d know that prescribed burns jump lines all the time.

I’ve had to help fight them half a dozen time on and around my farm.

Making some huge leaps there, Captain White Knight. My only goal is laughing at a bunch of diversity hire firefighters losing control of a fire they started. Your butthurt just makes it funnier.

It’s okay. It’ll be our little secret. No one will notice I’m sure.

Defend the diversity hires some more. Earn those Good Boy points like an obedient little gimp suit.

Yeah, "diversity hire" totally isn't a dog-whistle that Repugs have used since I was a sperm.
Nope, it's as pure as the driven snow, because history isn't a thing.

"diversity hire"=increased market share/marketability/client access

in short, better business.

y'all just keep defending the poor, oppressed white man like the obedient little proud boy you aspire to be.

(how did this even come up? leave it to UA to make a thread about wildfires into white victimhood)

or six football fields.. but CFL.

And you're a bad boy?
I dunno, Saddam Hussain made people sit on an open bottle of Tabasco sauce, and Mussolini force-fed people castor oil until they diarrhea-ed to death.
You've got some catching up to do.

which huge leaps?
that you're a suburbanite pussy? I never thought that had been in question.

likewise, real jobs... you're a non union employee in a highly unionized sector (vehicle parts manufacturer, you recently mentioned). tells us quite clearly you're low skilled, possibly even a perma-temp.

My guess would be you slam diversity hires the same reason you slam anyone with a job that requires more than a few hours worth of familiarizing... because you answer to them.

Are diversity hires a thing, yes or no? Confine yourself to reality.

Because it's easy to SAY, and you are 100% noise.

Speculation to bolster your own bullshit position. And you're even worse at it than Dicknuckles up there.

I slam the practice of hiring people based on something other than their qualifications. You cannot condemn that idea without resorting to pissy emotional rhetoric.

wow... every accusation with you really is a confession, huh?

I mean how much baseless bullshit have you tossed out over the years? at least I connect the dots...
You might wanna consider the diversity factor isn't a factor, but simply they're better qualified than you
You oughta be used to that by now...

Fuck Seattle Mariners, they just beat the Braves. Enjoy it while it lasts @Ancalagon

What's your evidence that any of these firefighters didn't meet the requirements to safely perform the role they were hired for?

How exactly do you think a bunch of old stock white cis male Canadian firefighters would have managed the unexpected wind change differently? Are you imagining them changing the speed and direction of the wind just with their dicks or something, like Storm from X-Men?

Yeah, I story that ends with this image:


Pretty much tells you everything you need to know about the publication.

Oh, and this phrase, "grad-school ski bum" could fit a whole shitload of the kids of the wealthy and powerful. Except for maybe, the "grad school" part, as not all of them would have done that. But the number of them that would then try to get a job that involves real work (regardless of their qualifications), is pretty fucking small. And, trust me, those weren't green recruits they brought out there, who'd never seen a fire hose before. Those were folks who'd gone through training and at least had some idea that the shit was going to be hot and hard.

I ain't never fought a forest fire, but I've poured molten steel, so I have some idea of what they're going through. Doesn't matter if they're 100% incompetent, the fact that they were willing to stick it out long enough to where they found themselves in an uncontrollable situation says a lot about them. Reminds me of what my friends who've been to boot camp have said, "The drill instructors care as much about what you succeed at, as they do how hard you try." Even if you can't do something, but you show that you're willing to try as hard as you can is sometimes enough for them to pass you, even though you should have failed the test. Not because you did the thing, but that you showed you were willing to fully commit yourself to a task, no matter how impossible it might be. That's pretty important when you're dealing with life-and-death situations. You know, when you might have to ask someone to sacrifice their life in order to save other people.

Who do you want in that situation? Do you want a person who can easily sail through a tough situation that's carefully staged so the risk to them is minimized? Or do you want a person who treats climbing that wall with the same level of intensity of landing on the beaches at Normandy? Sure, they might never be able to haul their ass up that wall all the way, but they're going to keep at it until they're dead? In some situations, you're going to want to have one, in others, you'll want the other person.

But even if those women just walked into the job, without qualifications, without training, and were just as clueless as what to do in a forest fire as you or I might be. They applied for those jobs. They put up with people (rightly or wrongly) talking shit about them. You ever do that? I kinda did something like that when I worked at the foundry. Not only was I taking my life on the line when I suited up to pour metal, but because we made things for the military, car companies, and the medical industry, people's lives outside of the company hinged upon how well we did our jobs.

You're a welder, so you know what dealing with dangerous shit is like. For a variety of reasons, not too many people can do a job like that. It takes skill, it takes risk, and you know that no matter how careful you are, there's always a moment of luck involved with it at times. You might have done everything right, but because something else went wrong, you're now staring at a really shitty situation. One that could have been worse if something minor had gone just a bit differently. Right? How many people out there refuse to be a welder since they know that there's a chance they could get burned? I don't know. But it's certainly a non-zero number.

My first job in the metal working trades was as a grinder in the foundry. It was 2003, and it paid like $7/hr. Not only was that less than what I was making at my shitty temp job, but it was less than I made working in a warehouse a decade before driving a forklift. But I took it. Knowing that the pay was shit, the working conditions were shit, but I wanted to work in the metal trades and that was the only job I could find in the industry that would hire me without experience (despite the fact that I had 3+ years of trade school under my belt). So, I fucking did it. Not because I had some fantasy that they'd come to their senses and pay me a living wage, but because I knew that if I could survive there, then I'd have experience so I could find a better job.

And I don't know how one could evaluate my performance as a machinist, other than I try. Yes, there are objective ways to do that, but that's sort of neither here nor there since I don't have enough comparison data with other machinists to know exactly where I fall in the rankings. But you get the idea. Maybe I can't do exactly what someone wants, but I'm going to try to get as close to as what they want as I can. How do I stack up against someone who can do the same job as me, but only if it's under textbook-perfect conditions? I mean, dude, I've ran machines built in the early 1900s, using tooling and materials that weren't even a concept when those machines were built (or even when they last had a total rebuild which would have been sometime in the mid-20th Century), trying to hold tolerances that would have seemed impossible when those machines were built. I mean, who do you want? The guy who can do everything perfectly, provided it's exactly the way the textbook described it to them? Or someone who'll go up to a machine that's nearly 100 years old (which it was at the time), and try to use it in ways the designers could never have possibly imagined because even some of the most mundane shit we do today would have sounded like science fiction to them, and give it a go? Yeah, sure, maybe I'll produce nothing but scrap. But you've got unequivocal proof that not only is it impossible for me to do this, but that I'll still make an effort to accomplish the goal, even if I don't get the specific task done right. That's worth something, right?

I mean, maybe I can't machine something to the kind of exacting tolerances the other guy can. But if he only knows how to do it on a brand new Okuma with the latest software and tooling involved, what use is he to you if you don't have an Okuma? What if all you've got is a CNC Bridgeport mill from the late 90s running Windows 3.0? Depending upon which machine you're talking about, and what you're asking me to do with it, I could very well not know shit about it. But you know what? Not only do I know this, but I know that if it's possible to be done, I will try to figure it out. I may not accomplish it, I may not be able to do it without fucking up a lot of shit in the process, but I can try. And I know I can try because I've had to try to do all kinds of shitty things with next-to-nothing, and sometimes I've managed to pull it off. With spectacular results (both positive and negative). That ought to be worth something, right?

Now, suppose up until that moment, both the Okuma guy and I have coasted through life. Neither of us had trouble finding jobs, or even working hard at the jobs we've found. The fact that when both of us were approached with something like real work and we had different answers ought to mean something, right? Sure, maybe I am more likely to amputate all my limbs before I ever figure out how to do the job. But so what? Maybe I won't, and even if I do, you might be able to get something productive out of me while you search for someone more qualified to do the job. What are you going to do?

Okay, sure, perhaps they were the most unqualified fucks on the planet. So what? At least they tried. How many of us out there can say that we put our fucking lives at risk to save other human beings on the planet? I'm sure we've both been in the trades long enough where we've seen some shit. Might have just been, "Oh, fuck, if that had gone just a little bit wrong, people could have died," but it could also have been, "Oh, fuck. He's dead." And we've also seen guys take a look at the easiest shit imaginable and act like you're asking them to handle plutonium naked. It seems to me, that even if you assume these women were given a cakewalk all the way up, they still did more than most people. You know what heat's like. Shit gets hot enough, it doesn't matter how safe it is, it gets uncomfortable to be around. You're a welder, you work with hot stuff. You know the one thing that always stuck with me while I was pouring metal? "My own body is a danger to me, right now." All that heat, you've got sweat just pouring out your body like you're an Olympic athlete at the peak moment of their career and break a world record, and if that sweat hits the metal? It could kill ya. You have a steam explosion throwing bits of metal in the air, and then the guys holding the crucible dropping it, throwing even more metal in the air. Fucking nightmare. And because your body is trying to keep itself cool, it's dumping water as fast as it can.

Now, I don't know what kind of heat those women might have experienced prior to this. I do know that forest fires get hot enough to melt the aluminum blocks in cars (so, 1800F+). Not too many people are going to want to even to pretend to work at a job where they get exposed to the temps one might find in a kitchen. But one in which you might face 1800F+ temps? That number's going to be even smaller.

So, unless you can provide proof that these women were told that they were going to do nothing but photo ops, I'd say they belong on a slightly higher level than the majority of the population. Maybe not as high as you and I, since we're skilled at our jobs and all, but better than the person flipping the sign outside of the cellphone store when it comes to potential self-sacrifice.

WTF Toronto.

It's taking America to point out Calgary's successful transition?

Wapo link, no paywall

two words: Doug Ford.

I mean, I could expand on that regarding how he's meddled with our municipal government since getting elected by the rest of the province, but this electoral map of provincial reps should be a hint:




Toronto really needs to become our own province. we're literally 20% of the population and bigger than any of the maritimes...

A couple of weeks ago we had a few red sunrises. I guess this was why.

Ford cut 50 wildfire crews from the provincial budget
Ontario currently has 47 wildfires burning away...

your mistake is presuming he has a skilled job rather than feeds a machine. If naught else over the last 20 years he's displayed no capacity for learning.

I'm not reading all that. If you have a specific question, get to the fucking point.

I do a lot of things, from configuring and operating a big CNC punch press, running hydraulic press brakes and insertion presses, LOTS of welding and a fair bit of powder coating, all of which I had to learn on the fly.

You, of course, leap to the assumption that allows you to douche out the hardest, as per usual.

meh... hardly a difference to what I jsut said.

you punch in presets so the machine can do all the skilled work. Nothing anyone with the ability to breathe and match numbers can't be shown.

Oh, well. I guess you would know better, despite getting every detail wrong.